Episode 117: The Missing Virus that Created a New Disease with Dr. Andrew Kaufman

Dr. Kaufman and esteemed medical doctor exposed the missing virus in CV-19. Wait! Missing virus? Then what is happening with PCR testing? Why are people getting sick? What does this mean for experimental gene therapy?

Do not miss these highlights:

[4:00] After realizing that some conventional medical practices were causing more harm than good, Dr. Kaufman made the move towards Natural Healing and relinquishing his medical license.

[6:57] The fundamental change in the healthcare system that led to natural healing, which was prominent at one point, to be pushed to the wayside in western medicine

[13:03] A look into the implementation of a socialized medical system.  Is it really free?

[21:27] Working with Terrain Theory to bring the body to homeostasis

[23:31] Dr. Kaufman’s initial research into Covid-19 and his discovery that there is no proof that any researcher has taken the virus out of an infected individual

[34:07] If there is no virus then what is causing people to get sick?

[36:37] The  inherit conflict of interest with the CDC

[40:13] Dr. Kaufman’s belief about the Covid-19 vaccine

[46:15] Strategies for keeping yourself health during these stressful times and the impact stress has had on our health

[54:09] A look into Biofield Tuning

Resources Mentioned

Serenity U  – Gain access to a searchable library of health tips and strategies with Dr. Deb – https://debra-s-school-1b7e.thinkific.com/courses/serenity-u

About our Guest:

Dr Andrew Kaufman MD is a natural healing consultant, inventor, public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness. He completed his psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center after graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, and he has a B.S. from M.I.T. in Molecular Biology. He has conducted and published original research and lectured, supervised, and mentored medical students, residents, and fellows in all psychiatric specialties. He has qualified as an expert witness

in local, state, and federal courts. Andrew has held leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations. He has run a start-up company, which developed a medical device he invented and patented.

To contact Dr. Kaufman or to learn more about him, visit:


Transcription of Episode #117:

Debra Muth 0:02
Welcome to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I’m your host, Dr. Deb. This is where we talk about everything wellness, and learn to defy aging and live our lives on our own terms.

Debra Muth 0:16
The title of today’s episode is the missing virus that created a new disease. So Today my guest is Dr. Andrew Kaufman medical doctor, who is a natural healing consultant and inventor, public speaker, forensic psychologist and an expert witness. He completed his psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center after graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, and he has a bachelor’s degree from MIT in molecular biology. He has conducted and published original research and lectured supervised and mentored medical students, residents and fellows in all psychiatric specialties. He has qualified as an expert witness in local state and federal courts. Andrew has held leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations. He has run a startup company, which develop a medical device he invented and patented.

Debra Muth 1:20
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Debra Muth 2:35
Hey everybody, this is Dr. Deb from let’s talk wellness now and I am so delighted to have my guest with me today. Dr. Kaufman is with us today. And we’re going to have a great conversation. We’re going to talk about a bunch of different things. But I want him to shed some light on this whole COVID COVID vaccine thing and where he’s got some of his information from and what you guys are going to need to do to protect yourself. So Dr. Kaufman, welcome to the show. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. So Dr. Kaufman, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 3:09
Well, I am like a regular MD, doctor who’s gone rogue basically, yay. You know, an interesting career, I’ve done a lot of things. I worked for the health department doing aids epidemiology research, I worked in the biotech industry, I worked as a physician assistant in cancer medicine, then before I went back to medical school, and then I specialized in forensic psychiatry, as a doctor and I had an academic post and published research and all those kinds of things. And then I also started up a medical device company. And so I have quite a bit of varied experience throughout medicine and healthcare and related technology. And what happened is that I started realizing through practicing medicine, that the treatments that they were providing were not effective. And in fact, in many cases costs substantial harm, even, you know, the ultimate harm. So I saw this, you know, in the chemotherapy, world and cancer medicine and I saw this and with psychiatric medications, and I reached a point where I could no longer ethically continue to practice in the usual way. And for the last several years of my MD mainstream career, I was basically tapering people off psychiatric medications and trying to work in alternative ways with them, which I had learned through my independent study were extremely successful. And when I finally kind of got fired last spring when I was speaking out and refuse to wear a mask, it gave me the opportunity to fully transition to you know, working in the the true Natural Healing world and not causing any more harm. And since then I’ve relinquished my medical license and which was a good positive moment for me. Crazy, but but you know, it was very liberating. And so you know, I’ve basically just been trying to research, health related issues and get at as close as I can to the truth of the matter and putting that information out there for people,

Debra Muth 5:30
I am so glad to hear you talk like this and share this information because so many of us who’ve been in conventional medicine over the years, and we always joke and say, we came over to the dark side, right, and started learning a different type of medicine and realizing that we actually left the dark side. That is true. That’s what we did, actually. Because we realized that there’s so many things that we can do from an integrative perspective that can heal the body, it’s just that we don’t teach that to people anymore. All of our home remedies as we knew them in the folklore medicine that we knew back then that kind of got pushed aside when what’s now known as our conventional medicine, which is, you know, mainstream has taken over and that somehow was better than all of the things we’ve been doing for 1000s of years, that it just isn’t taught to their families anymore. It’s not taught anywhere anymore. And that’s the kind of stuff that heals us and makes us better and healthier and stronger.

Unknown Speaker 6:28
Right, people, you know, have lost memory or don’t realize, because they haven’t studied history that in, for example, United States and most of the Western world until the 20th century, right. All of the types of healthcare that were practiced were like naturopathic medicine, that osteopathic medicine as well as homeopathy was a main form chiropractic like these were the most prominent forms of medicine. And it wasn’t until really the oil boom and Rockefeller tried to develop petroleum into the chemical industry, that there were efforts from Rockefeller and other robber barons to take over the medical education system. And that was the long term strategy to take over the healthcare system. And that’s where the current allopathic models prominence really comes from, because it was a some very small element before. And after the takeover the education system, it became the dominant model and other models really were rejected because the schools were no longer accredited. And just in a few short years, there was a total change in the focus of all the medical schools in the United States. And this led to the model which you know, is sometimes called cut burn poison, right, which is just surgery, radiation and pharmaceuticals. And it ignores. And I take it a little step further with respect to what natural healing is, which is that your bodies have the ability to heal on their own. And we just have to support that process and not get in the way of it. Like by adding, you know, poisonous drugs, for example.

Debra Muth 8:14
And that’s the biggest problem with our medical system is you have this symptom, you take this drug, you get a side effect of that drug, and we give you another drug, and then another drug, and before you know it, the body is taking 10 1520 drugs for some people, and we wonder why they’re not doing well. And that’s a big problem.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 8:38
If you look at the scholarship of some of the industry insiders, like Marcia Angell, for example, the former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, you’ll come to understand that really, the healthcare system is essentially a marketing platform for the pharmaceutical industry.

Debra Muth 8:55
It is and is and isn’t that how medical school is taught as well. I mean, all of the funding for medical school comes from the pharmaceutical industry.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 9:05
Well, it’s, you know, when that system was changed over as I described in the early 20th century, what happened was that members of those organizations who represented pharmaceutical and other interests were inserted into the board of directors of all the medical schools in exchange for you know, generous contributions. And those relationships in the leadership have stayed. And so they’ve allowed the curriculum to be influenced and you know, the medical education the way it is currently, is really kind of an indoctrination or hazing situation because they overload the students with incredible amounts of factual information to memorize and regurgitate in order to pass their exams and that keeps them so busy and distracted. They never ask any questions or try to under And the scientific basis of disease and of the treatments that it’s teaching. And it spends all the time basically saying this is how we define diseases and put them into categories. And then we match up each disease category with a prescribed treatment, which is almost always a pharmaceutical, occasionally, it’s a surgery plus a pharmaceutical or it’s a combination of surgery, radiation, and pharmaceutical, but it almost never involves anything else. And even though the mainstream scientific literature in medicine, you can find many, many examples of positive benefits from various type of natural products. I mean, you know, one great example would be fecal transplants. Yeah, right use for something called C. diff, which only exists because of medical treatment. It’s something the medical establishment causes, and it’s a life threatening disease. And it can be cured with a fecal transplants, but try to get one from your doc. Yeah.

Debra Muth 11:06
Yeah, I’ve had a few patients go through that process. And they said, I don’t even know why I did it. Because as soon as I did it, everything came flooding out. And I don’t think I got anything anyway. And now people that want it have to go to Mexico or Canada or someplace outside of the US to have a fecal transplant done properly.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 11:27
Well, hopefully they have a colon therapist in their community or in the nearest city, who’s capable of doing this, because Because actually, you could, you could really do this procedure your own if you had a cooperative, family member, or neighbor? Yes, exactly. And that’s what’s really threatening about this idea that we’re capable of healing on our own, that we only need things about the nature which can’t be maximized for profit, because they’re not patentable is that all these remedies, you know, doing an enema doing a fecal transplant, you know, eating a certain herb or making a tincture of an herb, we could do these things in our kitchen, we could grow these herbs in our backyard, we don’t need big pharmaceutical conglomerates and big insurance companies to you know, manage the cost, the health care system doesn’t have to be the biggest part of the gross domestic product of the whole country, it could be a tiny, little fraction, right? And then we could spend the money on cleaning up the food system and finding alternatives to all the chemicals that we use.

Debra Muth 12:43
So here’s a question for you, since we’re on this topic. So a lot of people think that all of this medical injustice will be served when we have a socialized medical system, that everybody gets free care. What’s your thought on that?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 13:03
Well, you know, first of all, if you think that that would provide free care, you’re not really thinking, because how could anything with respect to this be free, it requires effort from people and it requires materials that have to be manufactured and researched and such. And that’s not free. So what you really talking about is who pays for it, and who is benefiting from it. And those are the most important elements. But I subscribe that in general, if there is a centralized authority, making all the rules about something, even if it starts out with the best of intentions, it’s going to become inevitably corrupted. And you know, because then that authority needs to maintain its authority. And in order to do that, it’s going to have to act only in its own interest, which is going to be against the interest of others. Right. And we see this with every institution that forms. So so it’s not going to be a successful strategy. But it’s also going to take away individual freedom and choice because it’s going to define what services it provides what orientation or, you know, paradigm of medicine and health that it uses. And you’ll have to participate by paying your taxes and you’ll, you know, you, you if if you want to get care outside of that system, you’ll have to pay additionally. Right, so it limits people’s freedoms, in my opinion. Now, you know, people say, well, it will be much less expensive than the current system, and but they didn’t look at why the current system is so expensive. Right? And the reason is, is because what are we paying for? We’re actually paying for administrative costs, above all else, right, which are unnecessary. And then what else are we paying for, you know, fancy See technology that’s more harm than good. So if we actually paid for what we really needed, it would be very, very inexpensive, and we’d be able to have it accessible to everyone. Because most of the most of it will just involve information, like teaching like here, if you have this kind of an issue, here’s what you can do on your own to make better and that, you know, oh is almost free, because once the information is out, it can then be viewed a million times after that, right with no additional work. So So this is, you know, really the way I think about it much more so in the big picture. Not just saying, okay, we have two choices, you know, the current broken system or socialized medicine?

Debra Muth 15:48
I do, too. I feel the same way. I, I think that with all the right intentions of Obamacare, we’ve seen so much more administrative costs, and so much more regulation, and so much more limitation that people don’t understand that, like, we’ve had to hire full time employees, just to administer certain things in the office, like prior authorizations for things like, you know, costs, administrative costs, which then those costs have to be passed on to the patient or someone. And so the cost of health care then just continues to grow and grow and grow for absolutely no deliver delivery of health care at all.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 16:29
That’s right. And, you know, there’s, there’s another aspect about this sort of the socialized medicine, which fits, you know, this kind of collectivist philosophy where, you know, you’re responsible not just for yourself, but for the community at large. And this is somewhat of a false premise in medicine with respect to many things, because let’s take an example of diabetes like type two diabetes, adult onset. Now, this is caused 100% by lifestyle. Okay, so now, under socialized medicine, I would be expected to pay for someone who has an unhealthy lifestyle to receive lifelong drugs, get surgery, when they have a heart attack, or have to amputate their toe, or whatever, to get dialysis, which is extremely expensive. Now, why should I? Why is it my responsibility, one to pay for my neighbor’s health care at all, I may want to help them out of charity, but it shouldn’t be my obligation. And then secondly, that obligation is much further compounded when I’m actually paying because they simply don’t want to change what they eat. And of course, our health care system doesn’t really address the diet in any meaningful way at all. In fact, when they even give you a diabetic diet, it’s not the diet that would cure you from diabetes, right?

Debra Muth 17:57
It’s the diet that’ll keep you in diabetes forever, and then some and kill you quicker. That is for sure. So I want to step back just a second and ask you a question about your education. Not your education, specifically, but what your thought is, so many of us who have been trained conventionally that have been come over to learning more about alternative medicine, or integrative medicine or functional medicine, whatever we want to call it, because it’s all about the same. There’s a process that happens to people as they wake up and realize what they’ve been taught and what they’ve been fed is not true, or, or not not true, but doesn’t allow you to think and doesn’t actually heal the person. What is been your experience in your transition, or even working with other people that you’ve seen who have like the light bulb goes on when they start thinking and they’re not being led around and told what to think when they actually start thinking again, and they’re like, wait a minute, I spent all this time all this energy, all this money, all this learning, and I’ve got to go back and relearn every system of the body the way it was meant to be functioning, not the way they told me that it should be functioning.

Unknown Speaker 19:12
Well, it’s even worse than that. Because you know, then you’re like, realize, okay, well, who actually knows the right answer to this? How do I find out what’s really true? Yes, when I. So my first experience going, you know, off the paradigm was after I read Kelly bogans book, called the mind of your own, where it was mostly about depression. And she put forth this protocol, which was based on the work largely of Nicholas Gonzalez who had a great success with cancer, but it was geared towards depression and other mental illness. So I was really kind of blown away because she had done excellent research in this book, and we shared many of the same opinions. So I had the opportunity to try this protocol with someone and I saw it was the first time a person ever was cured of anxiety that I’d ever seen. And simply by ultimately, in the end, we figured out it was by a gluten free diet, which was, you know, something, I was extremely skeptical at that time. Now I see, you know, I understand what it is a lot better. But so I had this great result. And then I started learning from other people who had great success, and worked with a few people here and there. And they all had great success, but I didn’t know exactly what I was doing. Like I knew how to use the things safely that that I was educated in, but I didn’t know exactly what they were doing or what the model of illness was, at first, because it’s you can’t just like go and find, you know, the textbook of natural medicine, and then it’s got all the right stuff in there. Right? There’s not really one thing like that. And you know, even if you go to like some of the best naturopathic textbooks, I’m going to disagree with a lot of things in there, right? Because a lot of it is tied to the conventional medicine paradigm. And so I had to then kind of like figure out, well, what actually Am I doing, and it was through that iterative process that at some point, I had an aha moment and said, I’m really working with terrain theory. Like maybe I should learn some more about that. And you know, which I did. And, you know, what that really means is, if you help the body, create the right conditions, and its environment, you know, its micro environment, then it’s going to be able to go back to a healthy homeostasis from almost any, you know, some things maybe are too far gone, that you can’t get someone completely back. But almost all the time, the person, you know, is able to do this, if you set up the terrain, the right way, just like when you plant your garden, in your backyard, if you first prepare the soil appropriately, have the right light and shade and moisture conditions, then you’re gonna have a fruitful crop. Whereas if you, you know, bought property next to a toxic waste site, you have all this scrub blocking the sun, and hard clay soil and you plant it there, you’re not going to grow much, right. And it’s the same things inside of our body really. And that’s what I realized fit with the success that people were having using these. And there’s not, by the way, not just one method, there actually is so much redundancy built in there. So like the practice you work in, they may use all kinds of modalities that are completely separate from what I might work with people on, but we still are both successful in terms of the outcomes. Right, right. And that’s a beautiful thing. And it’s not like that in the western CES system, they pretty much say, you know, this is your choice, or it’s like Coke or Pepsi.

Debra Muth 23:08
You know, it’s so true. So you have an amazing background. And I would imagine you have some thoughts on what’s happening with COVID. And the COVID shot coming from an HIV background, you’ve got a lot of good viral knowledge there. Would you share with us what you think is actually happening here?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 23:31
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, this was just a major moment of astonishment when I first realized this, but when I you know, heard about the warnings of the pandemic, and I saw people in the airport in California wearing masks last February, I, you know, said I need to get to the bottom of what’s going on, and I was like, This whole thing is based about a virus. So let me go and look at the scientific papers where they claim to find this virus. So I start reading those papers and something is just not right, because I’m reading like, the experiments that they do. And I’m like, thinking this couldn’t possibly prove that there’s a virus. Because, you know, a common sense notion would be when if you’re going to discover a brand new organism, right, which is a material physical thing, that you would go into nature, wherever it is, right? Like if it’s a, you know, if it’s a new cat like the Jaguar, you go to the Amazon rainforest to find it, then you’d pull it out of there. Right? Maybe you’d observe it first there if you could write viruses are too small by the way to observe and living organisms. So you can’t do that with viruses. But with Jaguar, you definitely do that. And then you but then you take it out, they take a specimen, right? And maybe you try to keep it alive, but you know, eventually you’re it’s gonna die or you’re or you’re gonna kill it and then you’re gonna You know, like, open it up, or it may be a while it’s alive, you take scans of it, see what’s inside, you know, take blood samples, some biopsies, look under the microscope, right to see how it works, what it’s made of, and all that kind of stuff. And so you do the same thing with a virus, right? So where is it a nature, okay, it’s we hypothesize, it’s in sick people, witness, you know, respiratory disease, which is really symptomatically, the same as the flu, but we think it’s something different. So we pull fluid out of that person, let’s take the virus right out of there. And they have ways of purifying it out of the fluids, because they actually have papers that describe ways of doing this because they do it for other particles, like exosomes, which are made by our own cells, that are the essentially the same size and, and composition as viruses. And then also viruses and bacteria and an algae, they’ve been able to purify directly from colonies of bacteria or algae, and get them by themselves. And then once you have this entity by itself, you can do the same thing like with the Jaguar, you examine what it is, what it looks like, the shape of it, what, what it’s made of, you can even take the genetic material out and sequence it. But they never do this. In fact, they’ve never once done this, and the scientists who wrote these papers have been asked in email, and they’ve admitted they’ve never done this. And there have been many, many Freedom of Information requests to various governments. And no government has proof of anyone taking the virus directly out of a patient and purifying it and showing that it exists. So they do this other weird experiment where they take that fluid without any purification. And they add it to a cell culture of foreign cells, usually monkey kidney cells, and then they add high concentrations of toxic antibiotics like amphotericin, and gentamicin. And then they reduce the nutrition in those cells to 1/10 of the normal level. And several days later, they notice the cells show damage that they call CPS or cytopathic effects. And they say that damage is proof that there’s a virus in the fluid from the lung that they put in there. I know it’s like almost laughable. And that’s really all there is to it. And, and in fact, every single virus that they say causes disease, has been shown to exist by that method.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 27:49
So in other words, none of these viruses actually even exist at all. And this whole thing I found through, you know, because I started off realizing this wasn’t quite right. But then I read hundreds and hundreds of papers about this, and saw that it was the same thing every time and found out who the first person to develop the experiment was. And it was john Anders, who won the Nobel Prize for his work on the polio vaccine in the 1950s. And, you know, even though in his original paper, he said that this doesn’t prove anything about viruses. Somehow, after he won the Nobel Prize, it became the experiment that was used over and over again. So when they say they have like the genetic sequence of a virus like the genome, they actually never took it out of a virus particle. What they did is they basically took a soup of 56 million independent pieces of RNA in someone’s lung fluid. And a computer, tried to piece them together and make up a theoretical imaginary genome. And they say that that’s an actual genome.

Debra Muth 29:05
Oh, my gosh, and you and you would think with today’s technology and brightest scientists, we would have a better way of identifying something than this.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 29:14
Well, you know, I think, actually, it’s the technology that allows this kind of obvious escape and obfuscation to occur, because in the field of genetics mixed with computer modeling, I mean, yeah, it’s hard, like only a few people really understand the technology enough to even carry out this procedure. Right? And so it’s just like, they’re not going to necessarily you know, so very few people could even realize what’s done but I’ll tell you that that insiders I because I know I’ve spoken to one or two insiders in this and they realize that there’s basically they just do magic that you know, that’s what one person called it magic because they just Make up letters in the sequence and pop them in there that weren’t actually in any real sample.

Debra Muth 30:08
Oh my gosh, this is this gets deeper and deeper, the more we learn about it, right. So then it. Okay, so so we have this virus that we call, quote unquote, that really isn’t truly then identified, then how do we have an accurate test for something that we can’t accurately identify yet?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 30:35
Yeah, well, obviously, we don’t. In fact, we have a test that’s completing completely meaningless because it’s said to correlate with a virus that doesn’t exist. Yeah. Right. So it couldn’t possibly mean anything, but they can essentially create the appearance that it means something because, you know, it’s a fancy test, once again, it involves genetics. And it’s difficult to design and understand. And they say, Oh, you know, even though actually, on the label of the test itself, it says that it’s shouldn’t be used to make the diagnosis without additional data. And but on the case definition, on the CDC website, they basically say a positive case is a positive, a positive test case. Right. So they’re contradicting themselves. Yeah, I mean, there’s so many ways you can know even if you think that what I said about the absence of a virus at all, is too much to look into for you, which for some people it is, but I actually think it’s, it’s the easiest thing, because you understand everything else, once you know that. But with the PCR test, this is the question that should be asked, Why is there no calculated error rate? Because when you whenever you develop a diagnostic test, in order to know if you should even use it, yeah, have to compare it to a gold standard. So you get an error rate, like how many false positives false negatives, etc, etc. Now, that’s completely unknown for the PCR. Because there’s no gold standard, because there’s no virus. And now they even the people who think there’s a virus, they never did an experiment where they isolated the virus from 1000 people, and gave 1000 people the PCR test and said, How many times did they get the same result for both? Right? Right, that’s how you calculate the error rate. But that’s never been done. And it’s not going to be done, because because it would show that the error rate is so high that because the test is meaning meaning. So you know, this, but so we have, like, all of the world’s policies being based on the results of a test that has no known error rate, because it’s not even validated test, and it’s, and it’s based on a virus that’s not even proven to exist,

Debra Muth 33:14
which then means we have no known error rate for the antibody test to say, if somebody tests positive for antibodies you

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 33:22
you can’t possibly make? Well, first of all, even if you are going to make a test, what’s the test for? What’s the Do we have enough information to even say there’s a new disease? How do you how do you characterize that disease? What’s the unique variable that you can say, if they have this, they have this disease? Is there one, there isn’t one there isn’t one? Because there is no new disease? Like you can’t you have to have a new disease, you have to have a definition of it. And a way to identify who in the world has it. Otherwise you can’t study it or learn anything about it. And you’d have to assume it doesn’t exist. Right.

Debra Muth 34:07
Right, exactly. So I know there’s people listening to us thinking, well, what’s happening with these people that are getting sick that if there’s no virus, and there’s no no disease? Why are people getting sick? And why are people dying?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 34:22
Well, in 2019, why did people get sick? Right, right. In 2000, why did people get sick in 1975? Why do people get sick? We don’t really know the true answer to that. Because since the takeover of Rockefeller medicine, almost all of the research, which is almost all government funded or funded by industry for profit reasons, all that research has only been based on germ theory. Right? Yeah, I mean, for example, the the war on cancer in the 1970s, which was a huge Research Initiative from the federal government under President Nixon. And you know, it was billions of dollars. Yeah, it was all to find viruses that cause cancer. And guess what? They didn’t find any. It was a waste of money, right? But yeah, they would have spent that money and say, Okay, what really causes cancer, they would have known that it’s due to toxic chemicals. And why I mean, they really kind of know that already. Because we have certain things that are labeled as carcinogens, right, they still put those out in the environment for people to be exposed to. So you know, but that goes against the interests of industry. So it’s not, you know, incorporated into the system.

Debra Muth 35:46
Oh, this gets deep, doesn’t it? But I love this, because I think this is the kind of information we should be looking at to say, does this exist? Or does this not exist? And, and I remember feeling very much like you, when everything was happening, I kept saying, you know, this is no different than the common cold, or the common flu or whatever, we’re making a big deal out of nothing. And I was getting attacked by some of my family and friends, and some of my patients that thought that I wasn’t being respectful. And, and it was amazing to me how many people didn’t understand that the CDC was not part of the governmental system that they were a for profit independent agency. And some of that has come to light. Some of some, many people still don’t realize that they’re not part of the government, but they’re making a lot of decisions.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 36:37
Well, it’s, it’s hard to, you know, tease that out. And they do have a relationship with the government that’s, you know, hidden from plain view. But if you just look at the CDC Foundation, you’ll see who their benefactors benefactors are. And essentially, they’re a trade organization. Right, they represent the pharmaceutical and drug device and health insurance industry. Yeah. Right. And that’s why and they have a major coup with vaccines, because they make all the recommendations and the schedule for vaccines, and they’re funded by the vaccine industry. So that’s a very, you know, huge conflict of interest that people definitely should learn about, you know, if they’re not already aware, but, you know, what I would do with people is, and, you know, I’ve had this conversation with some other doctors, and they get very frustrated, because they can’t answer these questions, and they want to change the subject, but, you know, okay, so let’s say there is a new disease COVID-19. How would how do we identify people with this disease? Tell me what, from other diseases? Like, just answer that question. And then if they say, the PCR test, then you can, you know, talk about, okay, can if, you know, I say the PCR test is meaningless, because it’s never been validated, can you find me a validation study of the PCR test? If you can find that, then, and it was valid, then I’ll agree with you, right? And then there is no such study. So if someone really wants to have this conversation, like openly, like they, they want to learn, well, then you can easily have it. But whenever I’ve asked those questions of people, they essentially get upset and either resort to insults, like or say something like, come on seriously, like, there’s no COVID. You know, but that’s not that’s not an actual logical argument.

Debra Muth 38:29
Right? Right.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 38:30
I mean, it should be a very simple thing, if it’s real, there has to be a definition and a way of identifying people with it, that’s got to be valid. And so simply tell me what that is. And I, you know, be happy to change my mind. Same thing with the virus experiments. So either, you know, be happy, explained to me how that experiment proves the existence of a virus or provide me with another experiment that proved it. And I’d be happy to discuss that with you. But no one’s has brought that type of evidence, you know, out in any contradictory manner. And when I’ve looked for it, I look forward exhaustively. And I have, you know, some collaborators, who, you know, they also not, not by choice came to the same conclusion. It’s not, it’s not a good position, you know, to be in with respect to having other people be happy about what you’re saying.

Debra Muth 39:24
Right, exactly.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 39:25
Right. It’s more it takes more energy to, you know, say the truth about this. But But if people actually look at the experiments, every time they they end up seeing the same coming to the same conclusion.

Debra Muth 39:41
So we have no legitimate virus that’s detectable at this point, by science. We have no legitimate PCR testing or antibody testing that’s legitimate based on the research and the evidence. So how do we succumb to a legitimate quote unquote And I’m saying this loosely the term vaccine, because that’s not what this is anyway, how do we come to a vaccine that could help something that doesn’t absolutely exist? To our knowledge?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 40:13
Right? Well, you know, I think we have to look at the reality of the situation is that none of this has to do with health at all, that this is simply a an excuse or a psychological operation or a false flag operation in order to have a new outcome, which and the outcome is to get everyone in the world genetically modified, and to set up, essentially a surveillance state technocracy and the pandemic, which is completely, you know, manufactured out of nothing is being used extremely skillfully, to bring about those desired outcomes. And this is based upon, you know, first of all, it’s been planned for quite a long time, because you can look back at documents on technocracy from the 1920s that talk about some of the things that are happening now. But more recently, you have the World Economic Forum, the agenda for the 21st century from the United Nations, you have the Rockefeller Institute, lockstep program. So you know, there’s plenty of writing about it. But this is a, you know, manipulation into this, you know, new world system, which is really what’s going on. So most of the people who I mean, certainly everyone who actually submits to the vaccine has to be really under some kind of HIPAA, gnosis or mind control, because it’s completely irrational. I mean, if you just look around you, we don’t see anyone dying from anything unusual. And we have an experimental emergency, you know, treatment, that’s a totally unproven brand new technology. And there’s a complete immunity from liability, right? So like, if you were going to buy a car, for example, and the car dealer said, Hey, by the way, if this car happens to blow up, you can’t sue us when our response. I mean, you know, would you buy the car? So it’s like, if you look at it from a business investment point of view, it’s a terrible investment. If, you know, if you look at obviously, no one’s dying, even if it was a real infection, why would we need a vaccine and plus, it’s easily curable with other treatments, right, because those treatments aren’t, by the way for COVID. Therefore, you know, a typical pneumonia is also not caused by influenza virus or any other virus, but but we can talk about that separately, but those things are effective, right? For those clinical situations. So there’s just no reason even to consider it other than this manipulation. Right. So what do they say you’ll get your freedom back? A little bit of it, just a little bit of it, really, if you do this? And so you have to say, Does this make sense for my health? Or is this for some other purpose? They want to use this? Like, they want me to do this really bad? Why do they want me to get this so bad? You know, yeah, like if if there was even if there was a really dangerous illness out there, that that could be spread from person to person, right. And I I’ve never found any evidence that, that people spread illnesses between each other through a germ By the way, there’s no scientific proof of that. But let’s say that that were true anyway. Wouldn’t it be up to each man or woman themself to decide if they want to go out and be around other people to take the risk? And if they succumb to it, then that would be their own destiny? Right? So that’s the kind of world that I thought I lived in and that I want to live in. Not one where, you know, we have to give up our own ability to make decisions in order for you know, the community at large to be safe, which is, you know, safety is an illusion anyway.

Debra Muth 44:16
Yeah. That is, that is very true. And most of my clients who’ve chosen to get the COVID shot, have done it because they want to travel, they want their freedom back. They want everything to go back to quote unquote, normal, or they’re going to force us any way is a commentary that I hear. And I’m quite saddened by the fact that more people aren’t standing up and saying, Wait a minute, this is a violation of our freedom. This is a violation of my body that’s been given to me by my god or higher power, whatever you want to believe that is, for me, it’s God but that it’s my temple that I have to live in. I have To deal with I have to take care of. And yet we’re just freely saying, here’s my arm. Go ahead. I don’t have to wear a mask now, and everything is good. Well, you never had to wear a mask, because no one else can force you to do something. Yeah, anything. And, you know, I have to be honest, like, I wouldn’t keep working with a client if they made that decision, because that would tell me that their health is not a priority. And in which case, why are they consulting with me? If convenience is a higher priority than health, then, you know, that’s not my ethic. Yes, fact, health is often inconvenient. Yes, it is. It is very inconvenient.

Debra Muth 45:51
Yes, so if people are, they’re still not convinced that there is no virus, and they’re worried that they may get sick, as many people are, what kinds of recommendations do you have for them to protect themselves or keep their bodies as healthy as they can be during this crazy stressful time we’re living in?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 46:15
Well, my recommendation would be to go back again and look at what makes you sick. Because if I try to give you information based on a falsehood, then it’s not going to be good quality information. So I actually Tom Cowen and I created a special document that is doesn’t take very long to read, that’s written for a lay person, not a scientist on my website called the statement on virus isolation or sovi. And so, I would encourage you to go and read that and think about it a little bit. And I guarantee that if you give it a half hour to one hour of your time, that you’ll be able to understand this issue. And there are many people you know, who are exploiting this situation and people’s fear by trying to you know, sell immune boosting immune boosting products to prevent your infections and things like that. And, you know, I don’t take that strategy. Now, of course it is, people do get sick, like, I’m not saying that illness is not real. And being in a state of fear, being manipulated, being kept from being able to make your own livelihood, which are all things imposed upon us right now, can put you in a vulnerable state where you may be more likely to express an acute illness. So that is something to be aware of, and you should always think about taking good care of yourself. And that means minimizing your exposure to toxins by eating very, very clean food and, and looking at all of the other exposures, like in your house, your hygiene products, your clothing, the air, all these kinds of things and, and clean things up as much as possible. Make sure that you’re getting really good nutrition, that, you know, you’re getting all the nutritional elements, a lot of people end up with nutritional deficiencies, because of the modern diet that we have, as well as lots of toxicity from food. And so, you know, in my opinion, should be really a whole food, diet 100% organic, any, if you eat meat, all the meats should be raised on their natural food source, and not you know, treated with vaccines and hormones and antibiotics. And you can find all these things, or you can always grow and raise your own as well. And then of course, having a clean water and having enough water, but also to have some physical exercise that you know, could be just walking but some movement, and also to have a psycho spiritual practices that could be you know, as simple as checking in it could be a meditation practice, it could be like working on your relationships, and, you know, disrupting toxic patterns, but you have to put some kind of effort in to addressing all these different aspects and then you’ll you’ll be truly, you know, healthy in all dimensions and you’ll be very resilient to any, you know, outside factors that might contribute to disease.

Debra Muth 49:28
I love that. Having a background in psychological medicine, how much does that play a role in us getting sick when we’re under large amounts of stress or anxiety or pressure? Right? Well,

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 49:42
I mean, it plays a huge role. And it’s something that is, you know, in the allopathic model, everything is very compartmentalised. You’re on an island and in fact, psychiatrists are really even separate from all other doctors. They’re kind of considered not really doctor Use a stethoscope and, you know, put in central lines and things like that. Yeah. So, you know, you can really get lost and the that’s not the way our bodies work, we are a integrated, you know being right we have consciousness, we have spirit, we have memory, we, we have blood, we have all the structure of our body, all the physical, we have all the microorganisms that are in the community with ourselves, right, it’s a very complex system. And in order to truly address health, we have to address it comprehensively. So I’ve seen all different combinations of expressions of illness, for example, I’ve seen mental distress or mental illness, you know, like anxiety, or depression or things like that, that are caused by purely by a physical cause. I’ve seen physical illness that was caused purely by psychological costs. But mostly, most commonly, there are a combination of factors, like there might be a physical insult, like a certain type of toxicity, but it might be related to some kind of trauma, like a stress, like because many times, like, let’s say, We’re going through a divorce, for example, well, we would be under a lot of emotional trauma, and that might lead us to break from our healthy lifestyle, so crap, I’m gonna just, you know, binge on beer this weekend, or, or I’m going to, you know, medicate myself with junk food. And then you have the combination of factors that, you know, sets off, and then maybe the relationship is related to abandonment, trauma from your childhood, right. So, like, it brings in all these things. And if you, if you leave any of those elements out of the equation, as you’re trying to restore yourself to health, you’re gonna, you’re gonna have lingering problems, or it’s going to come back in another future episode, right, or you’re not going to get fully better. And so it’s really key to look at all of these elements. And, you know, that’s one thing that really helped me being a psychiatrist. Because if one, you know, there was, there were some benefits. I didn’t just learn about poisoned psychiatric drugs, but learning how to talk to people about sensitive issues, how to make sure they feel they’re being heard and validated, so that they feel comfortable telling you about, you know, delicate matters. And sometimes this can be amazing, like, there was a person in their 70s, or maybe early 80s, who I’ve, and never knew why. And they were never that frequent. But in the last year, they got much more frequent. And that’s why they came to me. And I know, you know, there’s always got to be that first panic attack tells you what’s going on with it, right? Yeah. And she never remembered what it was, until we had this appointment. And then, like, 45 minutes into it, when we were already talking about that mouse. She’s like, gosh, I remember that some kids played a joke on me and locked me in a room at a party. Oh, my God, it was like, Oh, wow. So like, figured it all out right there all that time. And, you know, I don’t know how she was able to do that. But it was like, You need to be paying attention to that kind of stuff. Because that for her really, that was the key to getting better.

Debra Muth 53:38
Yeah. And I think so many times for people, we’re so busy that we don’t connect to our bodies. We don’t pay attention to those details. We move on. We forget about it, compartmentalize it over here, because we don’t want to think about it. But it somehow always shows up someplace else in our existence, right in that psychological part of our brain that doesn’t know that it’s present right now.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 54:09
Absolutely. And there, you know, there are some really interesting ways of getting it that like, I had some interaction with Eileen McKusick, who developed a field of doing this called biofield tuning, where apparently like we our bodies emanate, right, different kinds of wave fields like vibrational fields, right and electromagnetic fields, just like on an EKG, we can detect those right? Yeah, but also an acoustic field. And so she can use tuning forks, and fine and she’s mapped that field and apparently it contains emotional information, so she can find where there’s dissonance with her tuning fork and time that to a certain age in your life and then she can tell the quality of the emotions So like, it was really amazing when we did this, she did a session with me. And she was like, you know, when you were, you know, 22, you had this really strong loneliness, you know, and, and I was like, Oh my god, like, I could immediately tell what the event was in my life at that time, and it fit. And I was like, I didn’t realize that that was still in the background, so many years later, right. And so that’s kind of, there are many ways to get at that information. Like that’s, you know, one example you can people do it through hypnosis, through dreams through meditation, or just through, you know, continue effort to write about their experience and think about it. And then the information, you know, comes out over time.

Debra Muth 55:46
Yeah. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 55:49
No, I’m just saying it is, it is a really a key technique, you know, be it to be able to look at it from this perspective,

Debra Muth 55:56
there are so many great modalities that the world does not even realize exists for so many of us, they’ve been hidden away, and they can make our lives so much better, so much faster, if we just knew about them and had access to them.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 56:13
That’s right. And, you know, it really is like, you can make your healing person process so individualized and personalized, because of this redundancy of modalities that something that may appeal to your sensibility or your style, or your goals or your spirituality, I guarantee you, there’s something helpful that will fit in that for you. And then for a different person, something that feels, you know, much different, like just a simple thing like meditation, because now I don’t I call it contemplation, as what I really mean is just creating a space and time for yourself free of outside stimulation. Right? So you’re sitting quiet, you’re sitting still, there’s not your phone is not nearby. There’s no TV on in the background, there’s, you know, no crying children, or anything like that. And it just gives you the space to collect your thoughts, maybe to focus on a particular problem that you’re having in your life, like, how do I improve my marriage? How do I make a decision about my career, whatever it is. And now for so for some people, they want to do, you know, like Buddhist mindfulness meditation, and that really appeals to them. Another person might say, Well, I’m going to actually I’m, you know, I’m a Baptist, and I want to use this for prayer. You know, and so it can be individualized to whatever is important to you and your priorities, but still having the same benefit of going through this type of process of just, you know, sitting down without distraction, and focusing on yourself.

Debra Muth 57:56
so important for us to do that we don’t have enough quiet reflects reflection time, which is why we’re all being hypnotized by the TV and the computer and all these other things that talk to our minds without us realizing it. And we don’t have enough of that quiet reflection time for our own brains to think for themselves. I agree. Yeah. So difficult. This has been such a great conversation. I love chatting with you, Dr. Kaufman, if people are wanting to get in touch with you, they resonate with what you’re talking about, how can they find you?

Dr. Andrew Kaufman 58:34
Yeah, well, everything is on my website at Andrew Kaufman, MD calm. And please, you know, sign up for my newsletter there. And I do have a webinar every other week where we talk a lot about these topics. And I have guests occasionally as well. And people have an opportunity to ask questions and interact with me about their health issues, too. So you can find that on my website as well.

Debra Muth 58:59
That’s awesome. So for those of you who may be driving or working out while you’re listening to this, don’t worry about that we will have all of his contact information on our show notes on our social page. And we will make it easy for you to find him so that you can tune in and listen to his shows as well. Great, thank you. Thank you. Hey, it has been really great sharing this time with you guys on the let’s talk wellness now podcast. If this episode has helped you or you feel as though this episode would help someone else we’d love for you to leave us a review, share this podcast. And if you don’t want to miss the most exciting episodes we have coming. We’d love for you to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes or Google Play. Until next time, live every day to the fullest.

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