Episode 140: What Happens When Viruses Hijack Your Immune System? with Dr. Michael J. Goldberg

Dr. Goldberg and Dr. Deb discuss the immune system and how being exposed to viral loads or multiple viruses can hijack your immune system and cause neurological symptoms. 

Do not miss these highlights:

[04:50] You cannot fix an illness or disease if you don’t get to the bottom of it

[09:23] The need to start testing and look for viruses in a lot of these patients as an underlying problem

[10:00]  If the underlying problem will not be treated, symptoms will keep on recurring and the infection or the virus will reactivate

[11:59] Neuroinflammation seen in autistic kids

[16:38] Could vaccines potentially cause some autoimmune issues?

[18:06] How this COVID vaccine system contradicts medical rules and regulations

[26:49] Using COVID to separate patients from their relatives is a massive abuse of patient rights

[32:25] What Dr. Goldberg thinks about the multiple vaccines given at the same time

[44:13] 50% or more of our young people will be disabled because we’re not fixing their health problems

[48:50] You irritate the stomach, the brain becomes more vulnerable to a seizure and will trigger the immune system attacking the brain

Resources Mentioned

Serenity U – Gain access to a searchable library of health tips and strategies with Dr. Deb – https://debra-s-school-1b7e.thinkific.com/courses/serenity-u 

About our Guest:

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg graduated from UCLA Medical School in 1972, after which he did his Pediatric Internship and Residency at LAC-USC MED. CTR.  Entering Private Practice in the San Fernando Valley in 1975. Dr. Goldberg is on staff at Providence Tarzana Medical Center. Since the early 1980’s, his interest has focused on the development and treatment of “Immune Dysregulation” / “Neuro-Cognitive” disorders including CFS/CFIDS and its particular connection to ADHD in children (& adults). This interest has extended into the neuro-cognitive dysfunctional link between many children with Autism / PDD and siblings / parents with ADHD, and “CFIDS”. He is actively pursuing collaboration with researchers to accelerate identification and potential new therapeutic modalities for these children. Dr. Goldberg is currently the founder and director of the N.I.D.S. (Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes) medical advisory board and research institute. Dr. Goldberg testified at the congressional hearings in Washington, Autism – Present Challenges, Future Needs – Why the Increased Rates?

His publications include B.L. Miller, Hou, Goldberg, and Mena. Anterior Temporal Lobes: Social Brain, The Human Frontal Lobes, Functions and Disorders. First in the series The Science and Practice of Neuropsychology. Guilford Publications, Inc

Goldberg MJ. ADHD: Approaching the New Millenium: New Understandings, New technologies and New Therapeutic Interventions. Understanding Diagnosis and Treating the ADHD Child: An integrative approach edited by James A. Incorvia, Bonnie Mark, Donald Tessmer .

Goldberg, M. Frontal and Temporal Lobe Dysfunction in autism and Other Related Disorders: ADHD and OCD. Alasbimn Journal1 (4): July 1999. http://www.alasbimnjournal.cl/revistas/4/goldberg.htm

Hou C, Miller BL, Cummings JL, Goldberg M, Mychack P, Bottino V, Benson DF Artistic savants. Department of Neurology, Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, USA. Neuropsychiatry Neuropsychol Behav Neurol 2000 Jan;13(1):29-38

Cutting-Edge Therapies for Autism 2010-2011 by Ken Siri chapter by Dr. Goldberg on neuroimmune dysfunction

website: http://www.neuroimmunedr.com/ 

LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/michael-goldberg-md-a7962738

Transcription of Episode #140:

Debra Muth 0:02
Welcome to Let’s Talk wellness. Now, I’m your host, Dr. Deb. This is where we talk about everything wellness, and learn to defy aging, and live our lives on our own terms. Welcome back to Let’s Talk wellness. Now I’m your host, Dr. Deb, and today I’m speaking with Dr. Michael Goldberg. Dr. Goldberg is board certified pediatrics, fellow American Academy of Pediatrics and an author he is known as the neuro immune doctor. We are going to talk today about the neural immune system and autism and how these two things are linked. So he’s going to share with us some research and some protocols that we can actually implement to treat immune dysfunction. This could not come at a better time for us as we’re talking about supporting the immune system, keeping things strong, keeping things healthy. And I am so honored to be talking to Dr. Goldberg today.

Debra Muth 1:18
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Debra Muth 1:42
While Welcome back, this is Dr. Deb host from Let’s Talk Wellness. Now I have Dr. Goldberg with me today, this is going to be a treat you guys we are going to have some great conversations. And we’re going to apologize up front that if we get a little heated on this, because we’re both very passionate about health care and wellness and taking care of people. And it’s been a little bit of a struggle in our industry these days. So Dr. Goldberg, welcome to the show.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 1:57
It is absolutely a pleasure to be here, Debra. And I’m glad you gave viewers the warning. Because when we touch into some of these subjects, I find myself so frustrated, and I feel like we’re living in a medical world that didn’t exist when I trained. I’m still proud today, I trained medical school, UCLA. And to this day, I respect my training, the doctors and the principles I was taught. However, shortly after graduating, I start watching a change of things. And by the early 80’s, it was very obvious that the medical system was not focusing on the right problems. There’s a lot of issues behind that. And I have been spending roughly the last 35 for years, it tried to show one that what my wife had something mistakenly called chronic fatigue syndrome. A facetious term Yuppie flu was the start of a major medical pandemic that has been missed by this system. And I am openly saying to people, if you understand these Miss viruses, you lay the mistaken foundation for calling a lot of children on the Autistic spectrum. And you really start to explain the real problem with COVID. So you your introduction is excellent. I am very frustrated. And I welcome any and all questions to find out.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 3:53
That is so great, thank you so much. And I think it’s a great opening for us to, you know, have this discussion about how did how did medicine change? You know, I don’t want to say medicine has gotten stupid, but it kind of has like we stopped looking for the underlying cause somewhere along the lines in the last 25 years and started just taking care of people by this symptom, this drug and we stopped looking for the cause.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 4:47
You couldn’t say that better my philosophy ad infinitum is you cannot fix an illness or disease. If you don’t get to the bottom of it, what is the problem and While I’ll say something, this is very, very open for debates out there and discussion, when you try to look back and say, what really happened, okay? Beyond the mistake, forgive me of HMO medicine where they started going ABCD. And if you don’t have that, we don’t know what’s wrong with you. And as probably you did, and I did we trained in a system where we’re as a, as a professional, you were supposed to get answers, not tell someone you didn’t know. Now, what I have been told over many years, I tend to believe right now is this started, when literally HIV hit the scenes. And around the same time HIV hit, there was an opening for an organism I had just started to hear about in medical school, something called HHV. Six. And in medical school, we were literally just touching on the opening, that this virus might explain Roseola a whole family of higher order, Herpes viruses may create illness. And then what I have to say, as the only rational statement I’ve heard is, some very powerful people in the early 80s did not want to confuse HHV, six M HIV. And from there have just shut out any and all research looking at these viruses. And when you say what’s happened over these years, I can tell you concluded by this issues right now with long COVID This medical system is doing every bit of research it can and never connecting the dots clinically, and never really trying to get an answer. How can you solve a problem if you don’t test for viruses, which were literally one, you know, part of 1/5 of medical illnesses in the infectious disease viral direction? So I apologize, but it’s been very frustrating.

Debra Muth 7:09
Yeah.You know, and I see a very similar system happening to what we’ve done with Lyme disease, you know, we’ve discounted Lyme disease, and people don’t have it, you can’t have long term chronic Lyme disease, you can’t have all these other co infections that go along with it. It’s simply a spire key. That’s it, nothing else. And we treat a lot of chronic Lyme disease patients, and every one of them is a toxic soup of infection. It’s never just one infection, it’s layered on top of each other. And so many times nobody has even bothered to test it. Or they test it once. And they say, well, it’s not there. Now, it’s never been there another beep there. Again, it’s not a problem. It just boggles my mind to think that this is how we treat patients.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 7:57
Debrs, yeah, I keep in shock all the time. Because I really trained in a medical system, it was almost like we’re entering a golden age of medicine, we were getting the answers in science, we will get to help fix people’s lives. In fact, out of that system, life, longevity was increasing for everyone. Now with missing these problems, that long life, longevity is going down officially. And I think what you have said is the truth. My wife, who thank God has been healthy, I’ve been able to help take care of her. Almost every one of her friends chronic pain, burning of this chronic that that’s not the way I trained in school, people were gonna live it as they got older. And lyme is a good example of what I think touches in to some of these problems. Okay. My own belief is that a lot of the reason chronic Lyme doesn’t get supported by infectious disease people. And most of the time because I myself will get confused on real life and what’s not real Lyme, sometimes, I have tried to follow a policy over the years that somebody with real Lyme disease had to fit this testing right out there. Okay. Now, when they don’t fit that testing criteria, I’m open to what’s going on. But my own experience has been if these viruses are in the background, the immune system is overly reactive stressed. It’s a very strange picture part of it stressed part of its overactive, okay, and some that you may get a lot of false positives. So I think that that has been part of the confusion out there. You know, when is something realigned? Will that and I very prejudiced, but I believe we need to start testing, looking for viruses as a at least in a lot of these patients as an underlying problem.

Debra Muth 9:57
Absolutely. I agree. And I think What I see in my practice is once somebody gets exposed to one infection, whether it’s viral or bacteria, if they have this underlying other virus or other infections, they kind of reactivate them. And where they maybe were dormant and the immune system kept them in check. They’re not anymore. Now they’re active and they’re causing all kinds of problems that may or may not make sense to us the way they’re supposed to.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 10:23
Debrah, that’s a perfect description for what I really deal with, with my children. As the kids I work with, as I explained to parents very thankfully, they don’t have real developmental neuro developmental cataracts, autism, most of them parents are aware of this, develop a history, chronically ill a few of them very interesting, never get ill okay. But most of them chronically ill. And something that I’m used to by just practicing, treating, what’s the problem? Good allergy prevention, good diet prevention. I have parents shaking their heads that their quote, unquote, Ill kid is now the healthiest kid in the house. And, and this is, this is what should happen for people. You said it perfectly. But there’s an underlying problem, you don’t treat it. All you’ve got is a whole bunch of symptoms up here. And they keep reoccurring work to get somebody healthy. And there’s a big difference in their lives.

Debra Muth 11:24
There’s a huge difference and that was leads me to talk a little bit with you about the neuro inflammation that you see in autistic kids. Can you talk a little bit about how that’s been impacted by some of the medical management we do with kids? Like does that neuro inflammation get worse when they take certain medications or certain vaccines or?

Unknown Speaker 11:46
Okay? And please question man, this is a big topic. It is. One as I try now, meeting any new fit new family. The first stop starting point is always if a child does not fit what we call Kanner criteria. And that was where the image of a neurodevelopmental autism began. And in fact, maybe parents today don’t know it. But they use their term out there, blamed it on cold mothers refrigerator mothers, and like always psychiatry was wrong. But the trouble is, and if people will understand this, that was completely wrong to think it was due to the parents. But the reality was Kanner, the experts of that day made major statement, that child was never normal. Never in our world, never connected. So if you go back to that image, it’s explainable, everyone thought the kid was distant and cold. Now these children have nothing to do with that. They develop normally six months, a year, year and a half. And then they fall into this hole. I tried to point out to parents, I’m like whatever the psychological developmental idea of autism was, these children, the parents, when you ask them, they can spot it. The kids go on much basically a bright, alert, healthy child into a zone. And in that zone, nobody can learn. And I would tell you taking away that Kanner criteria, which were one, never normal, at the critical to never affectionate. This is a simple absolute point. If it’s okay, I’ll say here, what I’ve said to many parents, you have to remember the ideal of autism, came out of psychiatry. So when Kanner was asked multiple times, over the 40s 50s 60s, what separated this new kid with this ideal of autism, from essentially childhood schizophrenia, this statement was their kid with autism was never affectionate. So that is an absolute if the parents realize that their kids can’t be affectionate, then lose it. Literally, I’ve attended research meetings. It’s not rational to say a child can develop normally for 12 15 18 months, and pretend that the parents somehow must have missed something. Literally. I was at a major conference social brain experts from around the country, and I’m going to say something that may be shocking. By the time the conference ended, the statement was made. If a child develop normally, the first 12 15 18 months of life. Had words didn’t get language fell into this a word spec 100%. It was immune or viral. And just to show how absolute that is, if a child develop normally, the first 12 15 18 months of life, had no words went into this a word spectrum 99%, it was a immune or viral. And the key point that has always stuck with me is none of these experts had any other mechanism that could create it. And that’s been the confusion to parents. When you miss viruses, you miss illness, well, look at the body, I could take anybody that’s sick. I know a whole lot of things off and try to fix that. But if I don’t start to fix the problem, I’m never going to get the success that patient should have. So I’m very prejudiced. You got to look for the origin of these issues.

Debra Muth 16:06
So that being said, I’m gonna open a big can of worms here, please. What is your what is your fear about our discussion at this point that we should be vaccinating our young kids against COVID? Now we’re talking about at birth, or shortly thereafter? Are you concerned at all about giving them an experimental vaccine that could potentially cause some neuro immune issues?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 16:38
Okay. Let me say, a little differently. What I’ve been saying, again, two patients asked me what they think they should do. Deborah, I think everybody’s missing a simple key point, that should be the fight out there. Why are 25 to 30% of medical personnel on the front lines at risk, trying not to take this vaccine. And if you skip over all the conspiracy, all this stuff, all the other stuff, the simple absolute point is, they know, there is an inordinate possibility of future autoimmune issues. And they do not want to take that risk for a virus that now has a confirmed mortality, less than 1%. Now, that, to me, is the simple medical point. From there you get into why is the system trying to push a new type of vaccine, it’s not based on normal flu vaccines even. It’s not based on vaccines we developed over 40 years. It’s a new technology. There have been reports in the literature, there may be issues. And certainly once we got past the crisis, it is unexplainable. Why the system isn’t letting people make their own choices. This is outrageous at this time. I grew up with with patient rights. I grew up with women’s rights. Don’t these people have a right to decide if they want to take a vaccine? Or they don’t? Why is the system doing this? And it doesn’t make any sense anymore?

Debra Muth 18:28
No to me, either. And one thing that speaks volumes to me is when the CEO of Pfizer refuses to take the vaccine that they created and touts by saying, I’m a healthy 56 year old, I don’t have to worry about it. It should make all of us kind of step back a little bit and say what is truly behind these mandates. Why are we pushing so hard for something? And why don’t we use our own rules to say if it does harm to its 25 people, if 25 people die from a vaccine, it’s pulled from the market? Why aren’t we following our own rules and regulations?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 19:08
Look, Deborah, we’re in complete sync right now. I can’t remote. Explain rationally why the system is doing this. I have honestly been I’ll stick my neck out here and some heavy discussions trying to explain this. And the only answer I can come up with leaving aside any discussions of conspiracies. politicizing is what I believe by missing these viruses for nearly 40 years. Anybody knows? I was taught in medical school. You get a flu of flu is a virus that plays with your immune system. My teaching in medical school, someone gets a flu. They recover three weeks later, they’re diabetic the rest of their lives. That’s the flu mixing up their immune system. So medical history says flus do that, okay? Now, if partly explainable, this thing hit, nobody knew what was going on a lot of rumors out there. And what I believe happened was an inordinate number of deaths and complications, those complications keep being related to immune issues. And yet this system a year and a half later, as I watched the literature has never tested for these background viruses. Medically, I’m sure this is logical to you, I hope it becomes live to go to your listeners, if you’re walking around healthy. In theory, just like that, head of Pfizer said, he gets a flu, it’s not overly worried his body is gonna take care of it. And in theory we cover and the other problem here is you get a better immunity from encountering the national disease than the vaccine. So why is the system telling everybody to be vaccinated. And forgive me how I say this, I think it’s a knee jerk reaction of ignorance, they have a lot of deaths, they’re afraid. But after a year and a half, they’re not trying to get to the real reason. And the most likely reason is very simple. If you get a flu, and you’re not healthy, you’re one of the people walking around 30 40% of our adult population, untreated chronic illness, take that person get a flu, the virus goes crazy. And that will likely be the person who has done has a complication. But if you don’t look for the reason, you’re not going to come up with the answers. And in turn, they’re making horrendous mistakes. You’re You’re a big advocate with women’s medicine. And if I train in medical school, you do not give a flu vaccine, in fact, any vaccine to a woman pregnant, unless there’s a major risk. Why is the system giving vaccines to pregnant women pretending there’s no problem when it goes against all medical training ever encountered? . less scary. Yeah,

Debra Muth 22:25
It is very scary. And, you know, I don’t understand it. Women in pregnant women and children have always been, like safe. Yeah, we’ve never done things to them that we didn’t know we’re going to be safe. And now it’s like, we just threw it out the window and said, well, it doesn’t matter.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 22:43
Well, again, when you say that I trained? I’m sure you did, too. And a system of do no harm. Yes. So that. The truth is there’s enough issues out there about problems. That’s what the system should be getting. And giving at this stage, the people the option, take a vaccine if you want. Don’t take it if you don’t want to. And we touched briefly on the fact that when you the other thing completely illogical to public health, beside vaccinating women and children this way, is they’re letting doctors, nurses, policemen firemen go, because they won’t take the vaccine. And in the end, they create a much larger public health problem. Yes, this is not logical by any criteria.

Debra Muth 23:32
It absolutely makes no sense to me at all. And we’re not taking into consideration. Some people have risk factors, that they shouldn’t get the shot. Maybe they have heart inflammation or cardiac issues, or they have history of blood clots and strokes, which we now have black box warnings on these vaccines for and we’re still telling them to take the shot. It’s still safer than getting COVID This makes absolutely no sense.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 23:59
Deborah, now it doesn’t make no sense. But I really keep hoping people will come together correctly. I lived through enough years. I’m sure you did too. Patient Rights. Yes, Women’s rights. And they’re being as you just said, trampled on. So I think it’s time I hope that people will come together. And I believe the issue that sets up this system to be investigated is the fact that these are the same people who have now claimed nearly 2% of our children have this unfixable neurodevelopmental disorder called Autism. And I’m hoping praying, put the dots together. The same people that made that mistake, are making the mistake on COVID It’s time to change authority. It’s time to change those and target

Debra Muth 24:55
It so is and you know you you made a good point earlier. When you said about medical ignorance, and I had a patient called me yesterday, who’s a Pharmaceutical Rep, she was at a hospital and came upon a conversation between two doctors. One was treating a 79 year old, fully vaccinated, had COVID was given Remdesivir and now had pleural effusion has some cardiac issues. And the doctor was talking to another doc and said, Do you think we could send them to this hospital? Closer to the city, maybe they have some treatment options for her. And the the, I’m assuming it’s a senior doc, but I don’t know that for sure. I just looked at him and said, Just let her die. And my patient was appalled. She called me crying, saying, I think I have to take a medical leave of absence. I can’t deal with this medical system. Why didn’t they treat her symptoms?And

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 25:52
Debra, but also, you’re hitting all the right buttons. So unfortunately, I like America. Well, I trained him that we were gonna make people healthier. We were gonna give people better quality of life, which I personally believe anybody walking around alive deserves, yeah. This system. And it’s difficult to say this, but there are people in it. That feel there are too many people on this planet. And very sadly, I’m getting from doctors, hospitals, what you’re hearing. It’s it’s too much resources. Let him go. That’s wrong. It is so long. I can’t say it people need to fight. And with that, I’ll say one more thing. That to me, reflects the compete, complete abuse of this system of Patients Rights. Everything I ever trained on, was when somebody is sick and ill. They need family support. Mm hmm. Sure, you know that one? Yep. Somewhere under COVID. Guys, they stopped letting relatives go into the hospital, go into visits, go into appointments. I know, a best friend of my wife who was in the hospital three months and couldn’t see his family. And it’s, it’s crazy, but it’s partly understandable. There. Now, my wife has a doctor’s appointment. And they wouldn’t let me go into the room. This is a they’re using COVID to separate patients from their relatives. Yes. And this is, as far as I’m concerned, a massive abuse of Patient Rights.

Debra Muth 27:41
It is. And I have patients coming into me saying I’m afraid to take my kid to their doctor’s appointment, because they’re turning 12. And they’re going to tell me I can’t come in on their appointment because they’re old enough to make their own choices. And I’m like, okay, timeout. We don’t even let a 16 year old say it’s okay to have sex. How are we letting a 12 year old say it’s okay to consent to any medical treatment?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 28:10
I really mean construct. I’m hoping somehow, if we can open up this massive can of worms. All these people making these decisions have literally condemned 2% of children and their families to no future. Yeah. And I can give you so many children who are now in college, high school honor classes can recover that if that maybe you aren’t, but I’m hoping if that mistake is recognized, then everything else we’re discussing gets open to be fixed. Yeah, these people have broken all the good rules. We both trade.

Debra Muth 28:47
Yeah. And I agree. I think the only way this opens up is if we talk about it. And people recognize this is happening and it’s not okay. And they feel empowered to network with other people so they can become stronger, and they can fight the system that’s been created that was

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 29:04
dropped, then again, I want to be very prejudiced. I look back. And I really believe one of the reasons this has not changed in nearly 40 years. His patients are not doctors. And unfortunately, many of the parents I meet they’re completely frustrated appropriately, yes, with the medical system. But instead of what I kind of grew up believing the system’s not doing the right thing. You fight it, you work to fix it. Instead, what I believe is part of this disaster. The parents either sadly accepted, they can’t do anything for their child, our turn to a biomed system. That isn’t the answer to a medical problem. Yeah, and unfortunately, many of the things that have been said let’s take a backseat Okay, I have this out there in an article mis medical pandemic, training during a period that we were at the tail end of many of those infectious disease, measles, chickenpox, all those good things. It never made sense to me as a doctor. How if kids had measles didn’t have anything to do with a word? How could a vaccine do it? Okay. I know this system is completely wrong, but parents have to understand the minute they say something wrong. The system shuts them off. Yeah. So what is the problem, I believe, training a good system. I’m going to use an example of measles because this is what this system is doing completely. When I came into practice, I was actually telling parents, their children should get a measles booster 10 or 11 years old, that was not recommended. But the way I trained you use vaccines to protect people. And measles in adolescence becomes a dangerous disease. Now, I was very happy Academy of Pediatrics a few years later said children in Secondary school should receive a measles booster. And let’s go to the science. When you give a vaccine, one and twenty. 5% of the of the patients will not take, they will not be immune. So it was a very good idea to pick that up at 10 or 11 years old, who came up with the idea of boosting all these children at four or five. And what I see consistently in their chart, they’re not making them healthy, that 95% that are already immune are being over boosted. And I believe that is what parents are seeing, and not seeing these things caused. Because of a vaccine. That’s not a connection. But if you think of these children, complex viral, yeah, Plex immune, hit these systems with a bunch of vaccinations, and you’re over revving that immune system, and then comes through over and over at this time.

Debra Muth 32:19
What do you think about the multiple vaccines given at the same time?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 32:25
That’s a good question. I lived through the medicine was determining if they could do that. And essentially, let’s take a pure scientific point. If somebody is healthy, in theory, you could give them 8,10,12 vaccines at one time, and their body is gonna figure it out. Okay. But now, when you take a population, and the parents know this, my kids not healthy by kids having issues, my kid has sensitivities. There’s no reason to rush vaccines on them, spread them out, take it easy on their body. I believe in vaccines, but I don’t believe there’s any reason to give everything at one time. Yeah, and overstressed that child. So this is, again, they prove something in science. And now they don’t want to look at the right options when they should be choices.

Debra Muth 33:19
Yeah, I remember when my kids were growing up. I had a great pediatrician. And he would say, I’m not giving them anything. If they have a sniffle. If they have an earache, if they, if they at all look sick to me, We’re waiting. And so

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 33:35
You’re feeding right into what I say so often. Yeah. Do you know why they’re now giving vaccines to anybody in the office?

Debra Muth 33:45
Because they’re afraid they’re not going to come back? Correct.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 33:49
This is completely bad medicine. Uh, huh. Framed like you’re just saying, if a kid was ill, you didn’t stress their immune system, you didn’t give them a vaccine. And in that world, I could tell a parent come back, you know, couple weeks. Mm hmm. See you next month. We take care of it. Now, part of what this system has done. We all know, there are people who won’t come back, who won’t follow up. But instead of a rational decision, what to do with those. They decided they were going to vaccinate everybody when they’re alive and standing in the office. And I believe that’s part of the problem. It’s I do too.

Debra Muth 34:30
I think so too. I think we’ve gotten to this place where we think and I’ve heard doctors say this, the general public is too stupid to make their own decisions on health care. We have to make them for them. And that’s not true.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 34:44
That goes against my whole training. Yeah, as a Pediatrician, it was educate the parents involved them and their children.

Debra Muth 34:51
Exactly. That’s crazy. It is crazy. Like I do the same thing. If it means I take an extra 25 or 30 minutes to educate somebody. But before they make that decision, then that’s what we do we take the time to educate them, or we prepare something for them. So they understand. We just don’t assume people are too stupid because they’re not.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 35:11
Yeah, well, you just said another point that I’ve been majorly angry about. Remember those discussions, early days of Obamacare, you get to keep your private doctor. Yes. You said, patients are not supposed to be medical experts. No, that private physician and that relationship was their check and balance on what to do and who to talk to, as we have literally destroyed that. And forgive me, that is what the system wants, they want you to follow what they say, I have that resource not have that help. Personally, I hope we can get back to that before it’s too late. I believe we need to get back with system supporting private medicine, helping patients have access to resources to help like they should.

Debra Muth 36:01
I agree, you know, I think what what’s lost in that, too, is not being able to keep your primary physician, that’s such a big point. And it’s been happening for decades, where you change jobs, or your job changes insurance, and now they’re not in network, and you’re changing doctors every two or three years, and everybody’s getting to know each other again, and so much of that medical history and longevity gets lost, where if you know someone for 20 years, you know, their families, you make better judgment calls on what you recommend to them, because you have that history with them.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 36:38
I have been livid, I’m sure people can hear. When I was taught again, in a good system, this was a very important part of medical care for people. Mm hmm. Um, kids and seniors, okay, the family is, is their contact and a personal doctor was very important in the in that care. So literally, unfortunately, I have been opposed to what is the on slot to socialize our system. And I’m really afraid patients are going to learn the hard way, a socialized system doesn’t take care of the wheel problems.

Debra Muth 37:14
I’m against that, too, I, you’re going to be limited to what you can and cannot do, because it’s all going to be cost driven. It’s not going to be outcome driven, even though they try to say it is we know it’s not and I’m with you people are going to be sicker not healthier in a socialized medical system.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 37:33
Well, let’s let’s use again, I have been very opposed to this stuff. Let’s use the fact that when you when people look at the fight, about Hydroxychloroquine out there and comb, let’s look at what people weren’t told. It isn’t a question of whether Hydroxychloroquine was going to cure somebody in a hospital, extremely ill. But it was always part of a doctor’s right to practice medicine in this country. Do what he could to try to help that patient before they got to the hospital. Yes, when I watched this system, put out a New England Journal medicine article. Oh, they used Hydroxychloroquine patients I’m in the hospital didn’t work, who expected it to work. Right. And this was an example. That instead of letting doctors be clinicians, do what they can to help patients treat a flu the best they could. And then if things got worse, you go to a hospital. They almost set up a system where they handcuffed the doctors, and things got a lot worse because of that.

Debra Muth 38:42
Exactly. You know, you got positive COVID tests, go home and call us when you can’t breathe. That was what people were being told. So we had to have rogue quote unquote, Doc’s doing things that the CDC didn’t agree with, which should be every doctor because the CDC we can talk about that corrupt thing too. But.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 39:03
This is the whole problem. I constantly relate to patients. I graduated medical school, and you literally got a license in this country to practice medicine. The joke was, you’re practicing.

Debra Muth 39:20

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 39:21
What I was always taught, I was taught this back at UCLA is there was essentially a 17 to 19 year gap between clinical medicine and academics. And eventually, in a good world, they came together they figure things out. When the academic world cuts off the clinicians, it isn’t doing anything to figure out the right problems. It’s doing its own thing, and not getting that bounce that should be there. I was taught was one of the major pluses of the American system.

Debra Muth 39:58
Exactly, exactly. And in socialized system, what we’re seeing today with our doctors being handcuffed and they can’t do certain things, they can’t prescribe certain things the pharmacy refuses to dispense it. That’s what happens in our socialized system, we are handcuffed to not being able to try to help people.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 40:17
Well, I again, Debra, I am honestly praying that there’s so many of these mistakes out there that have degraded medicine, instead of people being healthier. They have lower life expectancies. If this can come together, I am hoping that maybe we can get enough good doctors together and get back to a system that patients and doctors can respect.

Debra Muth 40:44
Yeah, I’m hoping for that too. And when we’re seeing 20 to 30% of our doctors and nurses that are refusing to take the shot, if we could get those 20 to 30%, to say, let’s now stand up and really fight and let’s develop our healthcare system the way it should have been for the last 20 years, we have a fighting chance. And

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 41:06
I believe that fully or it wouldn’t keep fighting. I think that this mistake is a Pediatrician. And I really believe this mistake with children should open up every care. I can show on neurospect scan. These children are essentially incompatible with ideals of neurodevelopmental autism. What I’ve told many parents take an eight off screen. Any sick kid would fail it. Yeah. You know, it’s a really simple point for parents. As a pediatrician, a child is supposed to be healthy, bright, alert. I teach families a good kid, it’s like a 9,500 watt light bulb in there, right? Yes. If their kid loses that brightness, then there’s a medical problem going on. It’s not psychological. It’s not whatever, it’s medical. And that’s what we need to wake up to. In fact, yes, I say that. I’ll give you one bigger point. I believe that the mistake on a word is the big issue that would open up everything medically what needs to be investigated? But I live to I’ll teach you the abs. As this think about this was unfolding in adults. This mysterious illness. Nothing done right. And at the exact same time, we went from add hyperactive, hyperkinetic kids, and I will never forget the joke by my professors. They were brilliant. If you could keep them in their seat, yes. Okay. Now, during the 80’s what happened? We got mixed, add quiet add, add with hyperactivity add without hyperactivity. And I’ll bluntly say any child on this ADHD issues, who’s not right sharp alert, probably has a medical component rather than just add at that. And that numbers are actually enormous. Compared to the a word. Yeah. How many children? Never I apologize, but I’m very prejudiced. Children count, you understand that? Oh, yes. Yeah, teachers telling me. First of which 30% Now is 60 or 70% of the class or space cadets? How can that Chow to ever learn?

Debra Muth 43:40
No, because they’ve got them all drug to just sit in their seats and be quiet.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 43:47
There’s so focused on using COVID to control people. Mm hmm. And they’re not fixing the major problems out there. We’re losing a generation or more of children. Yes. You know, I grew up in a country, you were supposed to get an education, be productive when you got older, have a chance to contribute to society. And most of those kids have no chance if we don’t get them healthy.

Debra Muth 44:12
No, we’re going to look at 50% or more of our young people will be disabled, because we’re not fixing their health problems. They’re not going to be functioning adults in this country. And what are we going to do at that point?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 44:27
Ever you’re hitting all the right points, going through end of the year, see me literature review in my reviews, to things set me back so much. I can’t tell you. It was generally accepted. 30-40% of adults have chronic illness. And to me that’s in itself says something’s really wrong. You shouldn’t have that. But then they’re talking 20 to 30% of Chronic illnesses. And as I tried to explain to parents, that system I talk about I trained under good doctors. If I had graduated medical school, and told them 20% of children would have Chronic illness, I think they would lock me up. This is incompatible with any idea of Pediatrics. Yeah. So that’s how big it is.

Debra Muth 45:25
It’s, it’s bigger than people realize it really is. And the only way they’re going to realize it is if we talk about it, like we are now, and it doesn’t get censored. And people can actually hear it and understand it.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 45:39
Well look, as bad as the ideals of censorship have been. And this is, again, goes against everything we learned in medicine, you discuss situation, you figure them out, you don’t shut somebody off. Okay. Um, and I have added my neck out there over the years. But there’s a recent posting, in fact, I should send it to you never missed medical pandemic, that I actually had to clean up, let’s call it semantically. And I’m going to shock you some of the people that that look at me as a little bit of a rebel out there, presenting this to some powerful people. They basically said, you’re trying to fix things. You’re trying to look at the problems. And I’m hoping I’ll send this to you, you may share with anyone you want, Debra. But that’s what I hope could happen. Stop, stop making false accusation, stop making things that aren’t we’ll focus on the real problem. And there’s plenty to deal with it.

Debra Muth 46:39
There is plenty to deal with that is for sure. So we could go on and on all day. And I would love that. But we both have work to do. What are some tips that you want to give our listeners to? What can they do to a either get involved or be how can they advocate for themselves in their kids? If they think they’re ill? Or they’re struggling?

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 47:01
Okay. One, I would encourage I think I have it out there in the internet. But I will make sure I get it out there. Again, I would encourage parents to look at this posting miss medical pandemic. And I try to give a lot of I hope, straight answers to some of these problems to dealing with. For them right now. What I’m hoping for is enough parents will come together, stop fighting, what you can’t support the system loves it the minute you say something that can’t be supported your God. Okay. But if you stay with what can be supported, we get enough parents fighting. And I think it is even though this is horrible in adults, I think it has to start with children. And if it starts with children, I think we’re going to have a chance to EPA with good people to do something. I think that’s the cost. And the caution to parents right now is one. Sadly, we haven’t gotten into it yet today. But the foods have become toxic. I used to be able to get around allergies by telling children processed white flour, processed White Ice, the heat treating took away some of the natural allergy of those grains. Now, I found out we had a problem. When I had a parent coming in complaining to me. The kid started reacting to the white rice. And I started looking into it and what it is, is there is a logical major medical problem with GMOs. Yes, the problem is this right tell parents right now is until we define this and solve it. The best thing they can do for their children themselves is not eat or take in anything that gives an upset stomach. Dark circles, rash or gas in the Pediatric seizure literature, think when these children are going through, you irritate the stomach, the brain becomes more vulnerable to a seizure. It’s a simple statement. That’s part of the trigger of the immune system attacking the brain. Okay, now, why are GMOs so such a problem? You hear all sorts of stuff out there. But Debra, I go to human physiology. As I explained to people when we were primitive, what protected us, our stomach? You eat the wrong thing you took in the wrong thing. You hopefully got rid of it. Okay. Now, I can get around this call it natural allergies. By processing something. It would take away some of that. But the GMOs are different. They have altered the structure of that grain or whatever. They’ve done it in a way that does not respect human evolution, we evolved over 1,000’s of years. The simple fact is not everybody, but a whole lot of people. Their bodies think these GMOs have foreign. It’s sending off horrendous reactions there. And again, this medical system doesn’t seem to care.

Debra Muth 50:20
No, it’s very sad. It is so sad. And you’re so right, we could do a whole episode on food and GMO because it is just such a complex situation. And parents are frustrated, kids are frustrated, and it is making everyone ill in our society.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 50:36
You know, I go way back, you are what you eat. Yes. Isn’t a state, I think that they are the same people that made a horrendous mistake, and they’re not trying to figure out what’s wrong. It’s very sad.

Debra Muth 50:47
It’s very sad. Well, Dr. Goldberg, thank you so much for joining us today. If people are listening to what you’re saying, and they want to learn more about you, where do they go to find that information for you.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 50:59
Okay, there’s a not totally up to date. But there’s a website out there www knids and IDS dotnet. And from that, they’ll get some leads to neuroimmune. Dr. And we do have a Facebook niche site. But the whole point is, I would tell them to please look at the postings, two major ones, Miss medical pandemic, and I’ve actually put up something recently, ASB COVID. Nice. And I think if patients can come together on the real fight, I believe we could win. And I’m hoping that’s the case.

Debra Muth 51:38
Me too. Me too. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. I totally love this conversation and would love to invite you back.

Dr. Michael J. Goldberg 51:46
I would be more than welcome.

Debra Muth 51:49
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