Episode 195: Personalized Cancer Care- Science Leads The Way with Dr. Nathan Goodyear

Cancer is as unique to a person as a fingerprint. Why not receive cancer care that is unique and individualized to you? You’ve heard about IV-C, turmeric, CBD and Medical MMJ to treat cancer but how do you put it all together.

Now you can Brio-Medical is not only treating rare, aggressive and late stage cancers it is leading the way in creating science based individual cancer care. 

Do not miss these highlights:

01:22 What is Holistic Natural Integrative Cancer approach?

03:57 The number one cause of death in adults in high-income countries is now cancer.

04:46  The problem with conventional medicine and cancer – We really have not made a ton of progress in treating cancer. 

07:00 It’s not just about prevention, it’s also about treatment.

10:10 Vitamin C as a treatment for advanced stage cancer – the flagship of therapy of Integrative Medicine. 

12:37 Integrating low-dose metronomic form of chemo together with Vitamin C. 

15:18 The importance of being precise and accurate in the approach to the delivery of therapies. 

17:28 The effective therapies from the alternative world to Colorectal Cancer.

19:46 Let science lead the way.

22:11 The story of how Dr. Nathan helped a patient with breast cancer and bone metastasis from wheelchair to walking with no pain, from a treatment mode to healing mode.

Resources Mentioned

Whether you are recovering from an illness or just looking to maintain your current overall health, schedule a consult with us at Serenity Health Care  by calling  (262)522-8640 or visit https://www.serenityhealthcarecenter.com 

About our Guest:

Dr. Nathan Goodyear, MD, MDH

Docēre rāphè: Docēre is Latin for doctor which is translated, teacher. Rāphè is Hebrew for physician which is translated, as healer. The word root of the word disease is from the two words, dis, meaning lack of or without, and -aise, meaning wellness. Disease, or better dis-aise, is simply the lack of wellness.

Dr. Goodyear’s passion for Wellness began with his own 100-pound post-college football career weight loss. Dr. Goodyear is currently the medical director of a holistic, integrative cancer healing center in Arizona where he uses the principles and science of holistic, natural, and integrative therapies to treat and heal people with cancer. It is not enough to target and eliminate cancer, one must heal. In addition, Dr. Goodyear is dedicated to dis-aise prevention, dis-aise resolution, and to the wellness lifestyle through a solution-based, Holistic, Integrative approach founded in science.

Business Website: http://www.BrioMedical.com

LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drnathangoodyear/

YouTube Channel: Brio News

Transcript of Episode 195

Debra Muth 0:03
Welcome back to Let’s Talk wellness. I’m your host and I have Dr. Nathan Goodyear with me. I would always say Goodwin but it’s Goodyear. And we are going to talk about integrative therapies for cancer. So, Dr. Nathan, welcome to the show. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 0:19
Well, I’m the Medical Director out here at Brio medical in Scottsdale, Arizona. We are a natural, holistic and Integrative Cancer Healing Center. And all of those words are very important. But really to understand where I am, it’s where I came from I, I graduated from residency in 2004, I very quickly understood that I needed to change my lifestyle, because I played college football, I played center and I was played at about 285 290 pounds, I was a big, I was a big guy. And two of the the gentlemen that I played with passed away within five years because of massive vascular events. So I knew I knew that I had to change my lifestyle, plus I had a budding family and I wanted to be around for them. So I really got into the integrative movement in 2006. Then with the, with my own diagnosis of a pheochromocytoma, in 2000, late 2015, that was really the beginning of my final change into what is this holistic, natural Integrative Cancer approach. So natural means we want to be as natural as possible. Holistic means we want to recognize that the whole body healing wellness, that’s what we’re after. And we don’t want to get bogged down in different compartments. But we want to we want to heal the body, targeting the tumor are targeting cancer and destroying the body in the process. That’s a no go. And then integrative. We want to integrate the different therapies. And that’s not just, you know, therapies IVs. It could be counseling, it could be psychological, it could be emotional, all of these come to bear to allow something like cancer to start, grow and survive. And then we want to be effective. So the evidence comes in, to bring all of this to bear natural, holistic and integrative to really have a truly targeted and healing approach that occurs together.

Debra Muth 2:23
I love that concept. And I think that there’s such a missing concept when it comes to cancer, right? In the conventional medicine world, as most people understand it, it’s just about killing the cancer, just kill the cancer, nothing else really matters. You can eat whatever you want. You can do whatever you want, as long as you feel comfortable. Live your life like you want. But do you think that it’s that model that’s failing cancer patients is just looking at it from one perspective of things?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 2:56
You know that that’s very insightful, Deb, because it’s a failed model. It’s a fair, it’s a failed paradigm. We desperately need a change of thought I actually say it’s kind of intellectual when breeding, because you can’t think outside the box. Yeah. Chemotherapy, and much of what we see in conventional approach to cancer treatment, and I’m conventionally trained, so I’m also an MD homeopath. It was born out of war. I mean, chemotherapy was literally born out of World War One and World War Two. And then it’s interesting that that same vernacular, that same phraseology, if you will go to war on cancer, Nixon declared war on cancer 1971 with the National Cancer Act. So it’s really interesting how all of that has progressed to the last 100 years or so, born out of a war, declare war, you know, what other what other disease states that we declared war on? Yeah, there was a 2019 study to published twice in different formats in The Lancet journal in 2019. That showed that the number one cause of death in adults in high income countries is now cancer. So all of that war, what has it brought? Now it’s brought profits, but has brought healing. Now, I wouldn’t know you the data says no, it has not.

Debra Muth 4:15
I agree and, and we haven’t even how do I want to say this? We haven’t even touched the iceberg on it. I mean, we have more cancer now. And the statistics are crazy. You probably know that way better than I do. But it’s like 100% people are going to have cancer by 2050, I think. But there’s so much more cancer, and yet we’re not any better off at treating it today than we were I would argue 10 or 15 years ago. Yes. We’re a little bit better than we were in the 70s but 10 or 15 years, we really have not made a ton of progress in treating cancer.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 4:49
No, we have not and I think the approach and the perspective is really the the issue is where our medical director we have two naturopaths and we have another medical doctor in The nurse practitioner, and I love the challenge that that that group brings to bare. Because we bring different perspective, when you look at it from a conventional standpoint, we are trained to look at things from a disease standpoint. How do you heal? How do you focus on healing when your only approach is what disease and how to treat the disease. And I jokingly say, it’s like going to your doctor with you, you have a headache, and the doctor hits you upside the head with a two by four. And then the doc says, How’s your headache, you go? Well, my headaches gone. But I’m not sure what we’re going to do about my brains all over the floor. It always elicits a chuckle, but I think they understand what the references, you know, conventional medicine comes in with a heavy stick. And you know what, you break a hip surgically? Yeah, you need to repair that hip surgically. You don’t say take more vitamin D. But everything has a place, everything has a time. And I think what we’re missing, it’s the integration and synergy that can be used here to really help patients target a tuber and heal the body at the same time.

Debra Muth 6:09
Yeah, I agree. I think we have to, and, and sometimes, too, we have to look at where did this cancer come out of, right? I mean, we know if we’re living a lifestyle that’s decreasing our immune system, or we have a lot of stress, or sometimes it comes from an emotional thing. And we don’t want to believe that in the conventional world, we just believe like the cancer tumors just didn’t get broken up. But in in our world, we can say, yeah, we can look at lifestyle. We can look at traumas, we can look at stressors and say, This was inevitable when we look at how you’ve lived your life for the last 25 years. But now how do we fix this so that it doesn’t stay with you for the next 25 years? Or doesn’t take your life? And the next five, right?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 6:48
Yeah, I mean, you’re exactly right. It’s like the way most people look at cancer. It’s, it’s like some bad Sigourney Weaver movie, we’re an alien planet. And you know, I had no choice. Actually, cancer is simply a disease of lifestyle that that in many ways, and that’s what that was called Pure epidemiology. The pure study or prospective urban and rural epidemiology study from 2019 showed it is a disease of lifestyle. And so if you look at that, and recognize it and say, Whoa, wait a second, we actually have power, change our lifestyle, we can change the environment, and really work to actually prevent cancer before it occurs. But it’s not just about prevention. It’s also about affecting treatment. Because we know that diet and the gut flora can actually impact the effectiveness of treatment, or reducing of toxicity of treatment. So it’s not just prevention, and everybody looks at it that way. It’s also about treatment.

Debra Muth 7:50
Do you have different treatment options? I’m sure you do. But do you treat patients differently if they have a genetic predisposition, predisposition to cancer versus an environmental form? So somebody say with a bracha gene or a pancreatic gene, and it’s familial? There, they have genetic cancer, we know it’s coming. It’s just a matter of time. Is there something that those people can do with your clinic or with someone else? preventatively to change that train from the get go?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 8:19
Yeah, yeah, your use of the word terrains appropriate. It’s really interesting, because what you’re talking about, there’s those braca mutations that get inherited and passed on, we actually will see that in in non genetic, you know, inheritable braca. Negative patients, though, actually still develop some mutations there, based on tumor staining, etc. So these still are mutations, though they may not be inherited, inherited can still be a foundational process in that particular cancer. So we don’t necessarily do prevention at our site, because we’re just dealing with mostly advanced cancer. But that is where you want to be. You don’t want to be where you’ve not changed the oil of your car for six years, and you go in, and the only thing they tell you you can do is get a new car. When we reach that point with our body, we’re out of luck. So prevention is the way to, to occur. And in braca. One simple approach, their very simple approach is the cruciferous vegetables. And we know there’s some some studies that show that the micro RNA from broccoli, which is a cruciferous vegetable actually influences estrogen metabolism. So you can actually change estrogen metabolism in an anti cancer way simply by eating broccoli. So that that old saying that wives tale of eat your broccoli. Yeah. Mama didn’t know best. She still does.

Debra Muth 9:55
Yeah, a lot of it can come down to what we’re eating and what we’re putting in our bodies and and how we clean chemicals out as a preventative thing. I’m assuming you do the same type of thing in advanced stage cancers, you want to clean up that environment, you want to do things. Tell us a little bit about you guys use high dose vitamin C or IV vitamin C, which is kind of a main staple in the alternative world for treating cancer. Can you talk a little bit about what that is and how you use that?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 10:24
Yeah, great point. It is kind of that flagship of therapy of integrative medicine. That’s my talk about it so much. Because the evidence of Vitamin C is so powerful, you know, it’s the flagship. So beyond that, there’s so many other things that can be done curcumin, or certain mistletoe, resveratrol, CBD, etc. But vitamin C, it’s really interesting. The future of medicine is the omics the genomics, epigenomics, proteomics, transcriptomics and metabolomics. That’s the future of medicine, but it’s available now. Look at vitamin C, you have to dose it therapeutically, to achieve a plasma vitamin C level that research has showed being reared in the 90s actually will kill cancer cells, then what we have to do is also reach the tumor, penetrate the tumor and saturated. Now animal studies help us to understand the process there. And the process of angiogenesis, which is that blood vessel supply growth that really restricts blood flow and thus induces hypoxia to the tumor, that also limits the vitamin C. So we have to really dose that vitamin C, evaluate the vitamin C every two weeks. That’s what we do view the vitamin C levels, and then adjust the dose accordingly. So I’ll have some patients that will be on vitamin C 75 grams, and others that will be on 200 grams, and or multiple dosing them multiple days, a week some patients I have doing five days a week. But what’s really interesting, there is a principle it’s I call it the dualistic principle. In cancer cells, the vitamin C actually creates an energy crisis and a detoxification crisis yet in the healthy cells, it doesn’t do that. So as you talked about the terrain, when people think about cancer, they think about, well, I have cancer. So the whole terrain in my body. Cancer, actually no. Healthy cells still want to work healthy, they still want to work normal cancer cells know they’re dysfunctional. So you can introduce a therapy like vitamin C or CBD. And they will follow that dualistic principle, target cancer cells create metabolically dysfunction that ended up in the death of that cancer cell. But at the same time, a healthy cell handles it just fine.

Debra Muth 12:44
Isn’t that crazy? It’s, you know, it’s understanding that the body is so amazing. And it can do what it needs to do when it needs to do it. And it can only target certain things. It doesn’t have to target everything. And I think in our world of conventional medicine, we’re trying to target a cancer cell, right? And unfortunately, then we damage other healthy cells in the surrounding tissue of it, or in other places. And this has always been the argument from an alternative perspective on cancer treatment is how are you protecting the healthy cells when you’re delivering chemo? And I imagine you guys work with that as well for patients who are undergoing chemo that want to incorporate different things besides just chemo.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 13:27
Yeah, so what I tell our patients is we do do a low dose metronomic form of chemo. So we will do that. And it’s really interesting when you look at the data about the Lotus metronomic form of chemo, it actually becomes immunomodulatory. It doesn’t destroy the immune system and it actually can stimulate the immune system but this has to be very low dose. When you’re looking at conventional chemotherapy. Absolutely. You come in with things like vitamin C, you come in with things like curcumin, you come in with things like CBD, you come in, you come in with things like hyperthermia, all of these, they provide a synergy. And it’s really interesting that word synergy simply means truth. They provide a process that is truth and it’s really in the evidence. So you can it applies to radiation too. I mean, it used to be they said don’t do vitamin C because radiation is pro oxidative and vitamin C is antioxidants. But we now know Research shows that vitamin C within an hour pre or post radiation is they become synergistic and pro oxidative effects in the cancer cell. Yet the vitamin C protects the healthy cells against the radiation effect. It’s really the best of both worlds

Debra Muth 14:42
That is amazing. And we have a lot of evidence coming out with all kinds of things CBD medical cannabis, vitamin C, turmeric. Like all these things that reduce inflammation also can help fight cancer. And so when you use them all together, I’m assuming that’s when you get some of the biggest success, versus if somebody’s saying I’m going to just use vitamin C, or I’m just going to use CBD, or I’m just going to use high dose turmeric, they’ll do a little bit on their own. But together is where you’re really getting that biggest bang for your buck, so to speak.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 15:18
Yeah, I think you have to be precise and accurate in in the approach to the delivery of these therapies. So what we do is we’ll do testing of tumors, we’ll do testing in blood, to really try to see what are the proteomics transcriptomics, the genomics to recognize, so let’s say, for example, that seeing that proto oncogene is expressed, and what we would do is conventional would say, well, here’s what drug we would do, what we do is we say, well, the science actually shows that curcumin and quercetin is very effective in targeting that semen mutation. So we want to make sure we add that in, but then it becomes not just about what choice to match that expression, but it becomes about dosage, it becomes about concentration becomes about delivery becomes about the pharmacokinetics. So then we have to dose appropriately. And then applying that to vitamin C, which where where there’s extensive knowledge of the pharmacokinetics of the mechanisms of what it’s doing, we then become very empowered and able to actually use this as we are doctors and use it therapeutically with a high degree of competence. But that also applies to photodynamic therapy to CBD to THC to hyperthermia, to curcumin. It’s not just throwing something on the wall and hoping it sticks, actually using it with intense genomic precision and accuracy.

Debra Muth 16:49
That was amazing, you know, thinking back to when I started practicing and learning about high dose vitamin C, and the Linus Pauling study, and it was just everybody should just have high dose vitamin C, and this is the dosage. And you know, it’s from this to this, but it was not individualized, what you’re talking about is truly individualizing a therapy for every person that suffers from cancer and dialing it in specifically for them. Instead of saying I’ve got 10 People with colon cancer, and here’s the drug and you’re all getting the same thing. And we’re just titrating the dose by how many side effects you have.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 17:23
You’re actually spot on. And, you know, let’s take colorectal cancer, because you mentioned a lot of colorectal cancer will express a crass mutation. And this is a particular mutation that really promotes proliferative pathways within the cancer cells. And in those instances, two very effective therapies from the quote unquote, alternative world are very effective one fasting to even see. So if I have a patient that comes in with colorectal cancer, and they and this tumor turns out to be crashed positive, it will specifically target clinically appealing if they come in, they have severe kick Exia water fasting then, but we use a vitamin C with the water fasting to specifically target that versus say somebody comes in with a non crass but a C met. I’ll use the curcumin and quercetin again, Target, precise, accurate. And so you people think that working natural, holistic and integrative Lee is really just, it’s like a, you know, at the winds of the wind is, I believe, precise type of medicine,

Debra Muth 18:40
This, this is amazing. I’m so glad we’re having this conversation, because I think you’re right, like, there are alternative providers that do cancer treatment, that are not doing it to the level of the degree that you guys are doing it. They’re not taking into consideration genomics, they’re not taking into consideration some of these other things, which doesn’t necessarily mean it’s horrible. However, it’s a different level, if you want to take it to the level where you’re really looking at your own cancer. And what is best for you. This is the type of therapy that’s needed is this targeted therapy versus a shotgun approach where everybody gets the same thing?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 19:18
And you have to I mean, there’s two sides of this aisle right of debate, original Doc’s of which we both are, right, they look at this and they go, Well, this is this is all baloney. And then you know then quote unquote, alternatives and say what they turn and rebuke them. Like, wait a second, if we’re just doing a shotgun approach, not evidence based with a natural therapy, then the conventional Doc’s have a point, right. So what we have to do and what I say is, look, the science leads the way. Just know the science implemented in a Linus Pauling talked about when you look at drugs, everybody recognizes pharmacokinetics I remember when I took Hi, first pharmacology class. And I’d made the long walk down the hallway to the pharmacology department to look at my first score, thinking what in the world do I need to know? pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics. For this is irrelevant. Well, now I know. So I knew that as it relates to draw, but Linus Pauling said, but when it comes to something like vitamin C, they forget that basic bench research. That’s, that’s a summary. But it’s so true. And meeting the science really shows you the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, and how we use them. And that’s what’s amazing. And it’s just about getting that word out there. So I really appreciate you and others that have platforms that really work to spread the message that really empowers not just patients, but doctors recognize that, hey, there is solid science supporting this, can we get better? Absolutely. Every science can. But you can rest assured that you can achieve good targeted therapies with a natural, holistic and integrative approach.

Debra Muth 21:08
Absolutely. Tell us a little bit about what your clinic is like how does somebody process or go through your clinic? Do they have to stay there for what kind of timeframe? What does that look like for somebody who’s listening and says, I have this cancer and I don’t want to do this treatment, I’d rather do your treatment.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 21:23
We see all kinds of, of cancer here. And unfortunately, we see mostly what seems to be rare and complicated, and recurrent, and metastatic. So I’d rather see patients when they come in with stage two, stage three and not having to treat the patients we can, they can truly have long, long healing. Patients will come in for six to seven weeks at a time, sometimes they stay a little bit longer. Because again, that’s a it’s that advanced nature of disease. And so they stay off site, but they come in four to five days a week. And their training program will vary again, based on the uniqueness and the expression and behavior of their tumor. So we’ve had patients be here for six weeks, we’ve had patients be here for longer, then we’ll have patients, for example, that one of our patients right now, breast cancer, when she came to us, she was actually in a wheelchair. She had bone Mets, she had a fracture, which she had to get she had to get radiation because of a very significant fracture the show we have three doses that she’s now walking, she goes home, she goes home every nine weeks comes back every three weeks. And we do peptides, customized peptide for and she’s walking smart, no pain, zero pain, that you’re not taking anything for it. Oh my god. But the point is, so now she’s not just she’s moved from a treatment mode to really a healing mode. She’s actually in again, she’s making plans, she’s setting goals. Now that’s how a person moves from that disease mindset, to really that living mindset, and in the middle is that healing. So she’s changing. It’s just great to see,

Debra Muth 23:04
Oh, that’s an amazing story. Because for people who don’t understand what bone cancer is like, it’s extremely painful, extremely painful. And many people give up just because you can’t control the pain. And so for the fact that you guys are giving her her life back, and she’s walking, and she’s pain free, and making plans, that is such great hope for so many people who haven’t been given any hope or who have been told your only option left is this experimental cancer drug. And we don’t know what it’s going to do.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 23:34
See for her name, Cindy, she’s from New York, upstate New York. And so, you know, in that instance, what they would do invention would give them opiates, morphine. Those suppress natural killer cells. And so if you want cancer to be aided in its potential to spread, you want to suppress natural killer cells. So you come in though with medical cannabis, the THC but use it topically, use a transdermal use of rectally, you can actually reduce the pain and really eliminate it. But then what you can do is you can also provide anti cancer therapy. I mean, the CBD and THC in synergy and sequence, broad but very well known specific anti cancer properties. So you can target that pain, eliminate that pain, but yet target the tumor, whereas the opioids will come in and reduce that pain yet, potentially favor it spread. So it really that natural holistic really provides a really different approach to how you can actually heal, even in very what seemed to be dire consequences and situations.

Debra Muth 24:46
That is so awesome. This is so amazing. And I’m so glad that we’re having this conversation because I think there’s a lot of people that are kind of stuck in that middle ground and they know there’s something else out there for them. They Don’t know where to go. They don’t know what to do. They don’t know how to do it. So if someone’s listening to us, and they’re saying, I want to explore this, I want to know if this is an option for me. Where do they start with your clinic?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 25:13
The first thing is they can go to our website that’s Brio dash medical.com. So they’ll be able to find all kinds of information there. We have a YouTube channel. I do webinars every every two weeks. So I just talked about, you know, the forbidden term medical cannabis. Yes. Last night, so that’ll that’ll populate. I will be launching a personal website and a personal podcast, as well. So that’ll be Dr. Nathan Goodyear. So you’ll be able to see that coming soon. I’m an avid rider, avid blogger I speak quite a bit across the country. So you’ll be able to see my content really quite a number of places but Dr. Nathan good you that’s more they’ll be able to find me personally. But currently right now Briomed Brio dash medical.com. That’s where they’ll be able to find me.

Debra Muth 25:59
That’s awesome. One other question that I have for you is if patients have a naturopath or an integrative clinic locally to them, do you coordinate care with local clinics for them? Like once they’ve gone through your program? And maybe they need some things ongoing? Do you work with clinics locally to do that as well for them?

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 26:17
Great question, desperately need clinics to work with? Because we can do really great things when patients come here. But let’s be honest, it is a finite time. Answer didn’t take six to seven weeks to occur. And so to say, well, we’re going to push you into no evidence of disease and keep you there simply with six to seven weeks. I would love to tell you it’s that easy. And you know that? Yeah. Intuitively patients know that. But where every clinic across the country and across the world struggles is what do these patients do when they go home? Having partnerships with clinics with doctors, whether that be a naturopathic doctor, an integrative doctor, whatever that be? Yes, we we’ve worked with clinics, and desperately seek other clinics to work with those doctors, train them, make them aware, help them assist them, so that they don’t feel like they’re on their own, just, you know, doing something they’re comfortable with. We want them to be empowered in their clinical skills to utilize those therapies to their best effectiveness to help those patients. So absolutely. We all we are always looking for that.

Debra Muth 27:27
Oh, that’s fantastic. So this has been such a great conversation. Oh, my gosh, I have to have you back. Because this is wonderful. And we’d love to talk about medical cannabis with you. More detail for sure. This is awesome. I’m so glad that you’ve been here. I’m so glad that you have this clinic available for people because it is so desperately needed and going in the future, what we see what we know with medicine, what we know with bacterias and viruses and parasites and all that they do to create cancer. We are going to need your clinic more than ever in the future. So thank you for doing this. Thank you for being here for patients and doing the hard work with them. Because it’s not easy to do this.

Dr. Nathan Goodyear 28:07
Well thank you for your platform, because you know, as physicians, we’re healers, as doctors, we’re teachers, so teaching patients how to heal and teaching doctors how to heal patients. That’s what we’re about. Yeah.

Debra Muth 28:20
Awesome. Thank you so much.

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