Episode 102: Can dream interpretation help you live your best life? with Barbara Condron

Barbara Condron shares her knowledge and experience of dream interpretation and how it can be utilized in our daily lives. Dr. Deb and Barb share their thoughts on COVID the pandemic and where we are headed from a spiritual connection. They explore how dreams about COVID can help us be less fearful.

Do not miss these highlights:

[3:05] How consciousness study, particularly on dreams, helped her during the loss of her father and with the birth of her child

[5:03] The purpose of a metaphysician and how it relates to physical health and well being

[10:23] The implications of the addictive nature of the internet while we are dealing with having to keep connections with friends and family online

[16:03] Twilight dreaming and the intuitive connections we manifest while awake

[26:43] Barbara’s study into trauma hindering a person’s ability to remember night dreams

[30:00] The three stages of true rest and sleep

[36:49] The act of sifting to ground yourself and finding ways to connect to the elements

[43:27] The Zulu tribe’s act of creating connection when meeting people

[49:02] Exercises to create connection and empathy

[59:54] A shift has occurred since 1987 that people are not fearing death like they did prior to that

[1:03:33] A discussion on Covid; media influence, natural immunity and the vaccine

About Our Guest:

Barbara Condron began studying dreams in the 1960s, teaching in the 1970s, researching in the 1980s, organizing data in the 1990s, tracking global trends in the 2000s.   For her, dreaming is an advanced form of communication accessible while awake and asleep.   An author, teacher, and internationally-known speaker, Barbara has interpreted over 35,000 dreams for people from all walks of life and at all ages in 30 countries. 

She has presented her research eight times at the International Association for the Study of Dreams conference.  Her topics range from “Dream Scripts for Tweens Reaching Youth by Making Dreaming a “Selfie” to “What Happens When Choirs Dream Together” to “The NEW BARDO – Clear Light Legacy in Dad’s Dementia”.   From the simple interactions between a parent and child to the end of life care between that child and parent, the beauty of the human lifetime is enriched through our dreaming, alone and together. 

Now she is collapsing 50 years of wisdom into an online masterclass STRATEGIC INTUITION teaching her AUM METHOD of SELF INTEGRATION.  Her rich background is bringing clear light to our human journey to understand life, death, and our continuing existence beyond. 





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Dr. Debra Muth 0:00
Hey, it’s so great to be back with you guys today. This is Dr. Deb at Let’s Talk Wellness. Now, I, from time to time bring you somebody that you may not expect to see or hear from on our show. And today I have one of those special guests for you. Her name is Barbara Condron, and she began studying dreams back in the 1960s. She started teaching about dream interpretation in the 70s. Researching in the 80s and organizing data in the 1990s. Now she’s tracking global trends in the 2000s. For her dreaming is an advanced form of communication accessible while awake and asleep. Barbara is an author, teacher, an internationally known speaker, and has interpreted over 35,000 dreams for people from all walks of life, and from all ages and in 30 countries. She has presented her research eight times at the International Association for the Study of dreams conference. Her topics range from dream scripts for tweens, reaching youth by making dreaming a selfie, and to what happens with choir dreams together. I am so interested in talking to Barbara about this topic because I think her ability to bring 50 years of wisdom into a discussion like this is going to be amazing. And if this is something that you find extremely exciting, and you’re interested in, she has a great master class called strategic intuition.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:55
Welcome to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, I’m your host, Dr. Deb. This is where we talk about everything wellness, and learn to defy aging, and live our lives on our own terms. Hey, Barb, nice to see you.

Barbara Condron 2:11
Dr. Deb, it’s so wonderful to be with you. And thank you for this opportunity. It’s great to talk to you and your listeners.

Dr. Debra Muth 2:17
So I’ll start by just kind of asking you to tell us who you are, what you do. And then we’ll kind of just run into wherever it takes us. And we’ll start going by some of your questions. And I’m interested to hear some of your opinions on COVID. And all of that and how it fits into the dream world. And yeah, it’s exciting.

Barbara Condron 2:37
I’m in a metaphysician and you know, that’s a word that’s a little bit more acceptable now than it was 50 years ago when I started in, in that. But I’m an author, I’ve written almost two dozen books now. And I’ve been a mindfulness teacher, trainer, coach, I guess now you would call it counselor to people of all ages, actually, since I was in my 20s when I started studying, and my passion is consciousness study dreams, particularly understanding the dream world in the daytime and the nighttime, how they cook together. Dream Yoga is what the Tibetans would call it. And even all the way through to having, which may sound strange to some people having the privilege and the pleasure to walk with my dad, as he had Lewy body dementia, and left this world and be able to do that with an incredible amount of peace. Even contentment, it was, you know, there, it was challenging, certainly. And there were moments where it was very hard for both of us, however, all of the dreamwork really stood me in good stead through that period. So you know, we can talk about that we can talk about when my son was born, and before he was born, communicating with the soul, and inviting that soul in being sensitive to that, because that’s something that many cultures on the planet actually do as part of their culture. It’s not necessarily part of the Western culture. But I think that it will become so particularly in this new era that we’re now into and moving toward. So there’s this whole breadth of life I call it master living. And right now I’m actually I’m 67 right now. And so I’m going into a period where I’m going into all new life, and that’s what this is behind me. This is called sift painting. And that’s actually a therapy that’s that I use with my dad, as a matter of fact and his in and out period of time.

Dr. Debra Muth 4:47
You look amazing for your age, I would have never guessed your age. Can you tell us what is a metaphysician because I think some of our listeners that’s a new term for them. What does that mean?

Barbara Condron 5:03
Yeah, well, we know that a physician is someone who is studying physical law and how the physical works. And we look to them for answers, particularly, personally with our physical health, and our well being. So if we don’t feel good in our body, then we want to know why. And we want it fixed. She adds to we have, right, I’ve worked really diligently through my life, to have foresight with that, so that I, the only time I’ve ever been in the hospital was when I had a C section, and that was an emergency c section. So you know, that was not planned, I was planning a natural birth. But that, you know, in a different way, the universe gave me a different experience. And I, eat fairly well, I try to move I’m not a physical fitness nut, I suppose I could call him but I should be. But the point being is that the choices we make, not only in lifestyle, but in terms of, indeed what we eat, what we drink, how we drink it, all of those things are important to our physical well being. That’s the physician part. The meta part is what drives all of it. You know, what’s the spirit involved there? And what’s the mindfulness factor? How much does our mind our attitudes are our emotions, what do they play in our health? And so that’s the consciousness factor that really appeals to me that I’ve had. I feel like it has such a rich life and being able to interact with so many different people. Dr. Deb, I’ve interpreted dreams for people I’ve seen. I’ve interpreted dreams for people, from 30, over 30 countries, and I’ve interpret over 35,000 dreams, in my life, you know, we’ve done research globally. And it’s fascinating to see what the commonalities of thinking is, among human beings, what we value, and what what’s really important to us. And we dream about those things. We dream about the people, places and things around us, and what our life is like. And then there are dreams that we have that are fanciful, that don’t have anything to do with our everyday life. Right. And you know, and so there are those factors that come into the dreams though, and this has come up since COVID. You mentioned COVID COVID, with particularly with everybody, cocooning sounds like this forced cocooning . Now I think everybody’s just about, you know, ready to, to assert themselves again and say, yeah, I think I can be healthy no matter what, you know, it’s like, this really isn’t, it’s gone far enough. We need to, we need to reengage for our health and well being, it’s essential, it’s essential. Yeah, there’s, there’s just too much, you know, just to touch the downside here for a second. There’s too much of the forcing ideas and opinions and actions that is against human nature. So it’s about flipped now, where it’s no longer a good thing for most of us. And we’re seeing that in a variety of areas, particularly in our economy, it’s really wrecked our economy pretty, pretty hard. So the sooner that we come out of it, and we engage, again, the better, because a lot of it’s turned into almost like military strategies. Because it’s not really it’s not healthy for us to not be together to have the freedom to engage too, particularly with family members. I know quite a few people who work in hospice. And it’s been very difficult there. I mean, you know, to think about the elderly people dying alone away from their loved ones, because they were not allowed to be close to them. That’s inhumane. That really is inhumane, and somebody needs to start saying so

Dr. Debra Muth 8:46
You know, it really is, I mean, it’s going to be traumatic for the loved ones that are left, it was traumatic for their loved one to crossover alone and feeling as though nobody cared because we get to that place, and we can’t rationalize what’s happening for ourselves. And I think we’re gonna see a lot of mental health issues more so than what we are already in people as we go forth. And life goes back to normal, you know, once they are able to process some of this and it’s going to be a real challenge. It’s a real challenge. Now I see it every day. I’ve written more prescriptions for antidepressants and anti anxiety meds than I ever have in my career. So that I’m getting notices saying, hey, you’re prescribing more than what you normally are and I’m looking at it going, do they not realize we have a pandemic going on? I mean, it’s crazy. People are really struggling, it’s really hard. And, and, you know, I think in the beginning, it was kind of nice. We had this we could settle down a little bit. We got rid of a lot of things that were complicating our lives and we felt guilty saying no to and now we had a reason to say No, it was nice to be able to be in your home and be with, you know, just your loved ones. But then as it’s gone on, and we’ve been more and more separated, like you said, we’re not we’re not a society, we’re not a being without a group of people, we need our tribe of people.

Barbara Condron 10:20
And we need freedom to be able to find them.

Dr. Debra Muth 10:22

Barbara Condron 10:23
I mean, you know, there’s, there’s a plus that we’re fighting them here, you know, on the internet, that’s a plus. But that is different. It’s an added experience. It’s not a replacement, right? That’s what’s happened is it’s become a replacement. So there’s that addictive factor going on there. That is electrically addicting, you know, there’s chemical addiction for the body. But then this is addicting to the mind, if we aren’t vigilant. And so, you know, there’s there’s all kinds of implications. And this is the meta part of the metaphysician. There’s all kinds of implications here of what we’re dealing with now, that hasn’t even surfaced yet. And I think about you know, when I was working with my dad, and I wrote a book on depression, what will I do tomorrow, I’ll probably depression when I was about 30. And I see the same thing. Now. It’s very simple. You know, it’s very simple, why we we fall into depression, it may not be simple to come out of it. But the reasons why we go there, ultimately, in my research, and study and meditation, and work with myself and other people, has indicated that we go there, because we it’s a lesson in humility. And so when we can realize that humility is the way that we want to live. You know, we talk about all lives mattering Black Lives mattering, certainly, but all life matters, not just human life, but all life all life. Yeah, everything that breathes, everything that has spirit matters. And this is why we are attracted again, to the indigenous people, because they seem to have a connection, that perhaps some of us have lost. And I had, I had the advantage of for 30 years living in the country on a farm. And so, you know, I was able to actually be in the midst of everything from my Lyme disease carrying ticks, you know, to, you know, to listen to watching the stars at night, seeing all the stars at night, to you know, a whole bunch of cicadas and crickets just, you know, really loud, louder than any traffic in a city, right. And so all of it, you know, and the rain and the wind and the out, live through an ice storm for three weeks without electricity. It was, you know, amazing, kind of like a pioneer kind of existence for quite a while. And so I know what that’s like, and to be able to come in and out of, I’m not an advocate of tearing down the cities, and let’s all go back to you know, being barefoot. But being able to understand that life is important. It is a reverence and the reverence level. So I think that all disease actually starts because we’re out of balance, we’re out of kilter, we’re away from our center core, in terms of who we are, as an individual and our relationship then with every every part of life. So when we get away from that center, is when we start experiencing any kind of disease, whether it’s mental, emotional, or physical. And a lot of the research that I’ve done is intuitive research. And we’ve actually conducted reports for people all over the world as well. And health analyses is one of the kinds of reports so the health analyses actually identifies the mental attitude that is causing imbalances, and both the emotions and the body and so then it just goes through it. It’s like, it’s it is an analysis, it’s not really a prescription or anything like that, because we’re not equipped to do that. But it will give indications and it also gives practitioners like yourself, information that otherwise you might not have, and particularly with parents, and I know you have probably a lot of grandparents who listen to the show with your young ones who, who really can’t verbalize yet they don’t have enough experience yet to verbalize what’s going on. There’s no replacing of the health analysis. Oh, I use it on my own son for the first seven years, every six months. That was his, his read, you know, and I was doing so yeah, there’s that.

Dr. Debra Muth 14:30
I love that. When I first started learning about integrative medicine and alternative medicine, one of the first things that I started looking at was dream interpretation and I am nowhere close to you, like I understand how it works, but that’s about it. But it was always fascinating to me that we could we could fix problems in our sleep. If we just allowed ourselves to do that. If you’re looking for an answer you The conscious and you can’t find the answer to whatever the question is, or the problem is that we could do that in sleep, and you just miraculously wake up with the answer. It just was so intriguing to me. And I had a health coach, my dear friend, Sonny Boehm, who taught me how to do some of this at night, and it was so great. And during that time, I was studying and learning and I would listen to things at night, that was my way of getting it into my subconscious, so that I didn’t have to worry about studying it and having it on my mind all day long. And I would go to take a test, and I’d be like, okay, I don’t remember this answer. And I just sit back and, and just let my mind go a little bit. And all of a sudden, it would come out to an archive of something that I must have been listening to at night that I didn’t even realize consciously I was. But it was such an amazing gift to be given to know that you could do this in your dream state, as well as your awake state, I was just incredible.

Barbara Condronr 16:03
It is incredible. And what you’re describing is what I call Twilight dreaming. It’s something that Bruce, Bruce Lipton, Dr. Bruce Lipton talks about, in terms of theta, and honeymoon effect. And the fact that we have this intuitive connection when we’re asleep, and when we’re awake, he talks about the negative ions with water, and you’ve probably covered this lots of times, right, but how we’ll have these brilliant ideas when we’re in the shower, you know, are these aha moments when we’re washing the dishes or, you know, things like that. And it’s like, it’s, it’s that, you know, I see that so much as the integrative system. Because our bodies are at least 80%. Water, I mean, we do kind of dry out as we get older. That’s why we get stiff, and we get wrinkled, and all that kind of thing, right. And it’s just a hydration issue. And the realization that in the language of mind, this is a touching on dreams. There’s a universal language that pretty much holds according to how we use our lives. And let me explain what I mean by that. with water, water, when water appears in a dream, it’s going to indicate consciousness itself. So it’s a really broad symbol. And so if you’re swimming and you’re having trouble, you’re struggling, you’re about to drown, then that means that your conscious life experiences are pretty much overwhelming you. And that’s the message is to, hey, give yourself some space, you know, take a break, take a vacation, whatever, you know, whatever your response would be. If you are drinking water in a dream, then you’re taking in pure consciousness. In other words, it might be from breathing, breathing exercises you’re doing, it might be from a retreat that you did, that you went on, it might be from walking in the woods, or hugging a tree, you know, any of these kinds of methods truly, you know, being able to really experience a kind of cleansing of your spirit. So the imagery that appears in the dream has a pinning to our everyday life. For instance, people in a dream, this is this gets into the old method of for self integration, which is the coursework I’m working with right now. The A is awareness. So every dream comes for you, about you and from you. So it will tell you about the state of your conscious awareness. So anything that we need to know at any given time, our subconscious mind, our inner self is trying to give us feedback to help us out as you just explained, it’s the way the mind works. Then we move to understanding. So we have a dream. And every dream tells a story. That’s the second principle. So every dream has a person, people places things plot theme. It has the same elements that any storytelling in the daytime does. The difference is the night dreams are there as a function to connect us, as you said, with something that we’ve been unconscious about, that we weren’t aware of. You called it Carl Jung called the collective unconscious. And I see it as as things like the Akashic Record. And this collective wisdom, right that we’ve all got. And that we can draw on when we either know how to consciously or when we go to sleep. Either way, we have to reach those, you know, kind of hypnotic reverie states, the theta states in order to grab the information. And when we do that, it becomes conscious. So we wake up with a dream and we go wow, I dreamed about a purple cow last night. Idon’t know why. But I did. And it’s like, you know, there was and it was driving. It was in the background in the backyard and it was getting into the car and driving down the street. And so you know, which sounds like a crazy dream, right? I’ve heard of interesting dreams. It’s not when you put in the language of mind, because the purple cow is talking about a habit I have that’s a spiritual habit. Because it’s purple. You know, animals in a dream will indicate habitual forms of thinking and behavior, not good or bad, just habitual, you don’t have to think about it, you know, like waking up in the morning, and, well, this is a fault we have, I think we go and we brush our teeth. And it’s a habit. So we don’t really pay attention to what we’re doing. So we really don’t do the work right that yes, a little bit of a conscious intention will clean your teeth more than any brushing will. That kind of thing. It’s very simple. It’s a mind body working together. So that’s a habit, you know, brushing your teeth habit, so so the purple cow could be that, but because of the color, it’s giving me information, that it has to do with that ultraviolet end of the spectrum, which has to do with the upper chakras, it has to do with higher energies, it has to do with higher thought. So this is a spiritual habit cutting my meditation could be a sight integral ha practice that I do every day, it could be any number of things. So that’s where I would begin to look, the fact that the purple cows in my backyard is telling me is telling me that it’s close to me. And then it has a lot to do with my understandings. Because when you’re in nature, which the backyard that I was seeing in my mind would be that with trees and things like that, then you’re talking about subconscious existence, whereas your house is talking about all of your mind, it’s your personal mind. And the floors in the house are different parts of your mind, different rooms, or different attitudes, things like that the house is an amazing symbol. And if he’s driving the car, okay, the car, the car is my physical body. It’s what my mind uses to get around. So I’ve got this spiritual habit that is drawing on understood understandings or wisdom that actually is in some way affecting my physical body, that could be a really good dream. I mean, an amazing dream for me to you know, think back about, you know, if it’s talking about breathing practices that I have, then it’s talking about how it’s really affecting my higher brain centers, and how it’s beginning to affect the physical health. I know that in 2018, this was the year after my dad died. I went through a year and there were different things for me to put together personally and things like that Not so much emotional issues as understanding what it was like to walk between the worlds with him. And to really go into that and thinking about writing about it. And what, what I could offer other people, particularly with the dream time work, and so I was kind of going up and down, there was a lot of change going on in my life, then kind of like last year was for most people. Sure, I had that like in 2018. And one of the ways that I self corrected and actually pulled myself through it was I dedicated myself to something called Om-car. Om-car is a Hindu yoga practice of repetitions of 108 ohms. And that’s where the the om method came from, because I honor that so much now. But the point of the story really is this, it’s that in repeating om and then waiting for the silence to enter, because that is the process, doing that 108 times took anywhere from like, 22 minutes to 40. And sometimes I did it twice a day. So you know, in calculating it all times I did it. There were over 50,000 ohms that I did, I sounded right. But about September, Dr. Deb, this was what was fascinating to me. By about September, my dad died in August. So it had been a year. So by September, I went through about a 36 hour period where where I slept maybe six hours, but the rest of the time I was oming in some way. And that concentrated effort. By September, when I would sound it, I would be able to feel it in every cell in my body. Every cell in my body was vibrating to that particular sound, which I know is you know, that’s backed up with yoga. I mean, that’s that’s why that sound is sacred is called sacred is because of the effects that it has on the body. And it’s the only not the only sound, but it is Ohm, does not require the movement of the tongue. The tongue is still in that sounding. And that is so important in how it links back to consciousness and into the dream worlds. Because part of us having sufficient sleep and being able to what I call unplugged the day is to be is to be able to settle down enough where we can unplug the daily chatter, the stories we’re telling ourselves during the day, and that’s a necessary first step to being able to go to sleep. And I’m seeing more and more people and you probably are two that are not getting good sleep? Mm hmm. They’re struggling.

Dr. Debra Muth 25:03
Yeah, they didn’t before the pandemic. And now it’s even worse, where they’re really struggling with a) sleeping at all and then b) quality of sleep is really a challenge.

Barbara Condron 25:16
Yeah. And so part of my movement has been really thinking about sleep preservation. And what, what that is, you know how that works? Yeah.

Dr. Debra Muth 25:28
Can I ask how? When somebody doesn’t remember their dreams, like ever? What does that symbolize for them?

Barbara Condron 25:37
Usually, they’re what I call a daydreamer, I created a quiz and evaluation, self evaluation, that’s on my website at Masterliving.org. By the way, it’s not a company. And it will tell you, if you’re if you tend toward being a daydreamer night dream, or Twilight, we’re all three of them, all of us are, but we tend to lean like you just said, there are a lot of people who say, I’ve done so many talks that I when I was younger, I would have, you know, some nice old gentleman in the audience, who was a drag drug, thereby, you know, a daughter or wife or something, and is rolling his eyes practically the whole time anyway. And, you know, he would, he would raise his hand and he go, well, young lady, I just don’t dream, you know, it just skips me, or, you know, or I haven’t remembered dreams since I was six years old, or something I you know, it just it was kind of funny. So, I realized through that, obviously, that there’s some people that don’t remember dreams. And so as I began to work with students and with clients, I began to see that it usually has to do with some kind of trauma. And it doesn’t have to be a big trauma, it could just be something as simple as, maybe a brother or sister in the same room, woke up, crying or yelling, screaming, and that scared them. And so it turned off that faculty, what it does indicate is that the person is very concerned about their waking life. They’re waking life is is like everything to them. That’s what’s important. You know, that’s, that’s where they’re invested. That’s where all of their personality, their ego, everything is like, you know, other people probably are very important, their reputation is probably important. And so all of that mental energy, that consciousness, energy is going through their brain out into the world. And very little is left for introspection and turning within. So usually, you know, on a baseline, that’s where it starts is okay, well, you know, maybe we can do some different kinds of exercises, different kinds of slight hypnosis, things like that, so that you can move into remembering dreams. Often what happens when we have like spells where we don’t, because I do, you know, there are times when I’m not dreaming well, at night. And I noticed that it’s the ebb and flow. And it is, that’s where the biorhythms come in, where there is the ebb and flow. And so it’s very natural, that we have cycles, that we have movements, and that there are certain times when it’s better to do something. And other times, it’s better to do something else. And so knowing yourself that way, is very much being a part of nature. And, you know, really, really having contact with what I call your, your master clock, you know, that’s really helping you adjust all the time. And women, you know, women have, I think we have it easy because of the menstrual cycles. And you know, as long as we leave them normal, and natural, which with birth control, that’s kind of not been so in Western society for a long time. So we’ve gotten out of sync with ourselves and gotten head heavy. And so sinking back in to the body appreciating it. And being able to work with those cycles makes menopause for women much easier. You know, my, my menopause years were, I mean, compared to some things that I’ve heard from other women, you know, it was a blessing. And I know that it had to do with, with how I was creative in my adult years, you know, my younger years, what I was doing with my mind, and how I saw that the mind affected the body, things like them.

Dr. Debra Muth 29:17
Where are we like, I’m wondering if this disrupted sleep patterns that we have affects our dream state too, because we dream When do we dream when we’re in theta or beta? I always forget.

Barbara Condron 29:30
You know, actually, we can dream any time and more and more neuroscience the more we investigate we’re finding out all these things. It’s like we’re not as limited as we kind of think we are sometimes. Yeah, so but most dreams, Yes, come in theta, they come a deeper state of circuit. And the first that you know the pattern than the normal pattern, the pattern that most people follow, which is what they mean when normal became blue. Like the bell curve, that middle ground usually goes in three stages. So The first stage is just is organizing short term memory here like filing the day, things like that, you’re also beginning to rest enough so that you can start to restore and rejuvenate, which is the second stage. This is where you go into long term memory, more understandings, what did I really understand today. And also you get into really replenishing the chakra energies, they start reversing going back in so that, you know, that’s part of what keeps you young and keeps you healthy. And, and is a cure for depression. I know a lot of times depression, people can sleep too much, but quite often it’s it, they may be in bed, but they’re not really resting. Yeah, they’re not getting the quality sleep that you’re talking about. So once you go through those two stages, then the next one is what I call redesign and recreate. That’s where we get those inspirations, the answers to the problems, that’s where we get the purple cows in our dreams, laugh at Wake up and laugh and remember it, you know, that kind of thing. And so those were the messages then can come in, because the first the first order of sleeping is to lengthen your life. You know, it’s there so that you continue to survive and thrive. Yeah, because we need rest.

Dr. Debra Muth 31:14
Yeah, we do.

Barbara Condron 31:16
It’s very interesting, because this is a very personal issue to me right now. Because my son who’s 25 is, he’s a filmmaker. And so he’s always around tech. And I have different ideas about that, too. And it disrupts his sleep. And he, he has challenges in trying to adapt his schedule to other people’s, in the work world and honor himself and what he needs. Because he’s the kind of person that can sleep for a couple hours, then get up work for a while sleep again, work for a while, you know, in that kind of movement, there’s a I think it’s called uberman. There’s a whole science now that’s investigating that. And we have crafted our world, which now is changing for some people anyway. Because we’re working at home. Right, right. Somewhat be you know, fluid. And especially with tech, if we’re involved with tech as our work, we can do that. We can set our own schedules, we can interview at midnight if we want to right. both agree, here we go. You know, so, so there’s freedom there. But when he’s working with other people, it’s not that way. And he actually called me last night, this is his real life story, right? So he called me last night about midnight, one o’clock, and he had a really big shoot today that started he had to be at 730. And very excited. The biggest thing he’s ever done superbowl commercial, just like major Yeah, Major. And he’s nervous about that. He’s also got other things on his mind that he cannot let go. And this is a repeated pattern. So this is something he’s dealing with. It’s something you know, that people learn from and learn through. And so, you know, he wants me to basically talk him down. But I didn’t, I didn’t really understand Dr. Deb, I mean, you know, for all of whatever. I just didn’t have it yet. Yeah. And last night, I got it. I figured out what not only what he needed from me, but I understood how to deliver it. And so that came through my dream work after we said goodbye. And so I woke up at five o’clock, and went to the closet actually, where there was privacy and there was there was also that echo sound, but ya know, and took my iPhone, it was really close. And I ended up creating an auditory hypno suggestive movement that would aid him not only in relaxing, very much like yoga nidra. But it would also be very personal to him. And when I did that, it was like, I know that this is the right thing. And I know that if I can do it live, you know, when he actually needs me, that’s gonna be yes. But if that’s not possible, for some reason, then he would have this to to work with and to learn. And the beauty of it Dr. Deb you have kids?

Dr. Debra Muth 34:15
I’ve three, yes.

Barbara Condron 34:16
Okay, so the this will really get you I think, you know, a beauty to it. I hear a dog. I love it.

Dr. Debra Muth 34:23
Yes, that’s my other one.

Barbara Condron 34:25
I understand that totally. Um, the beauty about this was that it wasn’t just me helping my own son. Because that’s my vision has always been what’s true and right here can be true and right everywhere, right? So I was thinking, what what a gift for a parent to give their child not because they’re sleep deprived or anything, but just to give them that essence of who they are recording for the son or daughter. Yeah. And to have that I mean, you know, I think about that. Why this application, and you know, the couple recordings that I have of my dad’s voice, you know, and how important that is to me. And you know, to think about, like, some of the grandmothers maybe now or moms who might want to actually do that, you know, I could coach them through that and help them make that, because it’s, it’s incredibly healing. Most of the work that I’ve done has been around healing, dreams are healing, and there is symbols that indicate that things of that nature, and just every part of it has really been about healing. It’s kind of amazing. And right now, where it’s all ended up focusing is honoring each individual’s a healing presence, that we truly are all a healing presence healing presence. Yeah. And so all of us know it. And most of us don’t have a clue. Yeah, we just don’t we don’t we don’t have any idea. How important just being is just being present?

Dr. Debra Muth 35:59
Yeah, I think we’ve lost that a lot. You know, we think we’re present when we’re on this thing. And we’re, you know, checking Facebook or checking emails. And, and I made that mistake for many years, you know, I thought, yeah, my kids are here, they’re doing their thing. I’m studying my thing. We’re all together. And this is great, but nobody’s really present with one another. And it is amazing, the different connection that you have, once you’re truly present, and all of the distractions are gone. It’s a different feeling. It’s a different connection than just physically being there.

Barbara Condron 36:37
And being able to do things together, you know, to where that opens up. That’s so important. Absolutely. Yeah, the artwork stuff. I’ve introduced families to that. And then the added the, the action of sifting is actually to pick up sand and to pull pebbles out of sand. So that very action, it’s so simple. That’s it. Yeah, it’s like you do you know, and it’s like, it’s so natural that a four year old will do it. Right. So easy that my dad could do it, you know, and he was turning 87, you know, and his body was failing and all that kind of, so it doesn’t take it doesn’t take us out of it takes us out of our head actually. Yeah, you know, it does drop us into our body and into our hands, which is essential right now. Because that connection between the hands on the brain and the development there, and gets us away from touching tech, which is electrical, you know, it gets us touching the earth instead.

Dr. Debra Muth 37:33
So all grounding ourselves.

Barbara Condron37:35
Literally. Yeah. And you can tell I mean, it’s kind of like the shower with the water.And that’s the elemental process, you know, that we really need to be around the elements fire, cleanse this cleansing benefits of fire. You know, it’s not just romantic, although, yes, it is. But right. You know, it’s like, yeah, in the wintertime sitting by a fire, there’s nothing like it. Well, I mean, it’s really,

Dr. Debra Muth 37:58
and that’s why cultures use it, to detoxify ourselves. So you know, we let things go and we burn it into the fire and let the earth take it from us. And we’ve lost a lot of those gifts that cultures from 1000s of years ago used to do on a regular basis. And they certainly didn’t have as much coming at them that we do today with all the tech world and all the negativity and all of that. And we really don’t practice in our culture, a cleansing ritual for all of that stuff that attaches to us. It’s very sad.

Barbara Condron 38:34
Yeah. What do you recommend in this summit? I’m curious about what you recommend.

Dr. Debra Muth 38:38
Yeah, I love smudging. Saging and smudging. That’s one of my favorites. I love my recommendation for grounding is so simple for people like school outside and touch your bare feet to the ground. It’s a little hard to do that this time of year in my neck of the woods, because I’m in Wisconsin. So it’s a different type of grounding. But it doesn’t have to be a long time, you know, but I love that connection with the earth and, you know, bringing up the the warmth and the fireball from the ground and bringing that through your body, letting it go up to the sky and bringing it back down. That is such an intense ritual for me. I love that, you know, it just brings that connection again. And like I was kind of chuckling in my head when you are talking about hugging trees. Because I also live on a farm and I’ve had people out here and we’ve done that we’ve connected with nature, we’ve connected with the trees. We’ve taught people how to speak to the trees and hear what they’re saying to you. My husband looks at me a little wacky when we do some of that, but it’s like no, they they have a gift to give us. We’ve just lost that art of communicating with nature. People do it with animals all the time. Why not? Trees, they’re a living thing, you know?

Barbara Condron 39:55
Yeah. That reminds me of Robert Moss, who is an author He is a dream expert truly, and particularly in terms of shamanic movement and Native American. He’s not actually Australian, though. But he lives in the states now. And he, he tells a story. And he writes in one of his books, I think it’s the history Secret History of dreaming, I believe. He talks about the women during the era, the young girls during the era of Joan of Arc. And the reason why Joan of Arc was such a visionary was because the practice was for the young women to go out, and they would climb trees. And they would look as far into the horizon as they could. And so that then they could develop their intuitive skill, if they had it, which of course she did. And so that was that was how she developed her her capacity for what I call strategic intuition, being able to actually cause it at will and open it up, open it up in a way that that was needed by everybody. And that’s that’s typically what you’re talking about to at the indigenous people is that dreams were used to help keep the people together. Yeah, you know, many times they were used to diagnose they also used to free you, you know, from from spirits or from illnesses of some sort, some sort.

Dr. Debra Muth 41:22
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Barbara Condron 42:37
I’m leading online interactives right now I just started a couple months ago on the new moon. Because that new moon energy is just that I call it it’s kind of like in between the worlds because it’s the close of one world and the opening of another one, you know, thing like that. So they’re eclipsing. And so I want to capture that energy. And so we do intensives for about three hours. And they’re really exciting because we keep doing breakout groups in it, you know, it’s just, it’s, it’s amazing. So this one that we just did a couple days ago, was centered on mirror resonance, and the level of self awareness in terms of looking at ourselves in the mirror, and how we do that, why we do that, and then looking at someone else, and we had six different applications for it. One of them was in practice of something that the Zulu tribe does, and has done for probably centuries. I don’t know how long, but they see greeting people, you know, in our country, we’ll go Hi, how are you? And it’s like, maybe we will want to hear you hear the answer. And maybe not, you know, I just the breaking the ice thing, right? And so the Zulu people their practices like 180 from that, right? Because for them, they want to sync with you. They see greeting as a trust. Action. Wow. In the conscious mind. So when they greet someone like if I was greeting you, I would say soloable Saba Bono means I see you. I value you. And you would reply. Chabot. And that means I exist for you. Wow.

Dr. Debra Muth 44:25
Yeah. How deep is that, like, if we could not have that kind of culture. It would be such a different state of where we are. And so much of that negativity would be lost because people are really hearing each other. We’re so desperate for people to really hear us and get us. But we’re so fearful to let somebody see the real us all at the same time. You’re vulnerable than right and if you’re vulnerable, somebody can attack you and they can hurt you and Oh, that is such a wonderful, I love that that is so opposite.

Barbara Condron 45:03
Oh, yeah, there were people that not I mean, they’re, you know, they’re a couple of people crying because of it because then they went into a breakout room and they braved the opposite. And, and you know, one woman said she was going to teach her grandkids that, you know, because she actually is schooling them. She lives with her daughter and her husband and the kids. And it’s like, you know, that’s the kind of thing we got now. So it’s a wonderful time where we can pass that on to the children. It is. And I’m thrilled, you know, that’s the part of COVID I’m thrilled about. There’s a lot of not thrilled about, but that’s part that I am thrilled about.

Dr. Debra Muth 45:33
Yeah. And we had to bring it right. I was at a retreat a couple years ago in Spain, a woman’s retreat. And I had no clue what I was getting myself into, I just knew that I was I needed to go here, I needed to do this. And one of the exercises that we did multiple times throughout the day, was we would connect with another woman and just look into their eyes. Yeah, truly look into their eyes. And I was there, I think, eight, nine days. And for the first five days, I could not do this without sobbing like every single time, I would just start bawling. And I kept going, What is with this? Like, I don’t cry? Never. And I it was, it was so touching for me. But I think it was probably one of the first times in a very long time that I actually looked in someone’s eyes and connected with that person on a deeper level. And I realized I was reflecting back and looking at myself at the same time. And it was so intense and so powerful. Oh, I couldn’t I could not believe the impact it had. And luckily, I wasn’t the only one that was crying when we were doing those exercises, but yeah, it’s intense, because we don’t connect like that on that level with people.

Barbara Condron 47:00
Yeah. But she that we miss so much. Yeah. And then that on one level. Dr. Deb, that’s the that’s the realization to me of why we can justify the mask wearing? Really, I mean, because it really is not a health issue. In my personal opinion. It’s not at all. And and it’s been made into one and it’s creating discord between people, which I have grievances about that. But that’s all I’ll say about that. The fact that we are wearing them in public right now, because it’s it’s an agreeable law or whatever. And wherever we live. The good part of it is it does put all the attention here.

Dr. Debra Muth 47:39

Barbara Condron 47:40
So we have the opportunity to do exactly what you just said. But you know what, this is what I’ve noticed, this breaks my heart, I can cry about this. I’ve noticed, particularly since Thanksgiving. And you know, then the election time came, you know, and all that too. So when I go to stores it’s exactly what you said earlier, right now, people don’t really look at each other. That wasn’t that wasn’t true. Six months ago, six months ago, it was almost kind of like, we’re in this together. And we were smiling behind the mask. And we were winking. And we were, you know, we were thinking we were playing. Yeah, you know, which was good, that was really good and really healing actually. And it’s turned into something that’s not healing, and it’s getting insidious. And so this awareness we’re talking about, about actually making eye contact, and using the mask for that, to really look into the windows of the soul, as the poet say, right, yeah. And to really, you know, really see ourselves in each other, that is a blessing we can take from this, that will continue to heal some of the things that have been stirred up, which that’s really exciting. There’s a function interactive function that I’ve done with people since the year 2000, called Living hologram. And it’s linked to gene keys and things like that now, but it wasn’t at the time, but it starts with looking at yourself in the mirror. And then you get to do that for about maybe four minutes, five minutes. And then you hear a bell, and then you find a partner. And so then you sit across from your partner, and you look at each other. And there are particular there, there are instructions about how to look, but that doesn’t matter right now. Then you get some time there, six minutes there. And then you hear it again. And then you find a group of other two people. So then you got a group of four. Yeah, and then you hear it again. And then you got a group of eight. And then you got a group of 16 and the largest number ever people I ever did this with so far anyway, was 76 people I ended up not being quite even. Yeah, it was okay. By the time you get to the big circle, it really doesn’t matter. Anyway, right? Yeah, and then you come back, you’ve gone out, it’s a TEDx experience in the mind and consciousness. So it’s like going out into space, and then coming back in to you. And it’s like you say, you know, the amount of people every time who cry, the amount of people who just sit there kind of dazed, you know, it’s like, they’ve never experienced anything like that. And then, you know, I just leave space open for people to talk. And the things that they say, tend to be in common, you know, the, the heart to heart connection, the you look like my sister, or my aunt or my mother, your face changed into a different person, I saw a light around your head, are the different the different kinds of movements, and just the realization of really being seen, and seeing is profound. And that experience because it takes about takes about 45 minutes to an hour, usually to do it with a group of 16 go out and come back. Yeah. And it’s just an astounding exercise. And I think that’s one of those things, I think, well, how different there will be many people that do that exercise, right? Whoa,

Dr. Debra Muth 51:17
Yeah, if we connected with one another, and, and were able to see like a window into what that person was feeling. And going through, I’ve done an exercise like that to where we try to open that intuition and try to see what that other person is experiencing, try to figure out who they are, what they are, how are they, how are they communicating with the world, all of that, and then leaving a little note for that person. And when I’ve done that exercise, it’s amazing how many people can pick out exactly what that person strengths or weaknesses are loves for, and they don’t know anything about the person, right? It’s so powerful.

Barbara Condron 52:00
And it’s great, I think you’re gonna love this, I did a, an all day workshop. I mean, it was 12 hours, it had two meals in it and everything. And from 2005, to 2010. And part of that is called powers of 10. And it was before all this tech stuff and all that talk, right. And it was talking about 10 essential life skills. Master living is built on that. And there’s a book that goes with that. But one of them is, is bringing out empathy. And so to bring out the fruit of concentration, which is which is true empathy, being able to actually be in someone else’s skin, and look through their eyes, that kind of thing. So the way that that we did that was we would have people in pairs, and they didn’t have to know each other. In fact, it probably was better if they didn’t. And one person would be the leader, in essence, but all they’d be doing is walking. So they would walk and you know, pretty big ellipse or circle, it didn’t matter. But you know enough space so that they could actually walk normally. And naturally, the person who’s following them would follow about six feet, so they wouldn’t be on their heels. And what their objective was, the first person just got to walk the person behind them. But their duty was was to match that person’s walk. And that’s a fascinating exercise. That is it is fascinating. There was a couple I remember a couple that did it. And the husband, what i what i would have them do is they would walk and then once I would ask them, Do you think you have her husband was following his wife? And when he told me Yes, and I asked the wife to just pull out in the husband to keep walking that way. And so she was watching him walk and she and he would flick his wrists like this only on the right side. As he walked. And she started laughing. She said, what do you do that for? And he said, that’s how you walk. He said I’d never noticed it before. And she was totally clueless. It’s totally unconscious. And she did that. Yeah. You know, and so that the level of self awareness, and then you know, going into the, okay, what’s the mental emotional attitude that might cause that on one side the body rather than both? You know, what was that? Yeah, which ended up going back to chiropractic for her. But it’s like, it’s such an interesting way to, to diagnose to see insight. You know, just to us, who we are, you know, you don’t really need machines. Yeah, ultimately, you know, you just, you have the greatest conscious machine inside you already existing, you know, learning how to use that. So that’s, yeah, that’s exciting.

Dr. Debra Muth 54:41
That’s awesome. So I’m really curious to hear your ideas of what what does it mean to us when our loved ones who’ve crossed over come to us in our dreams?

Barbara Condron 54:55
about the last statistics I saw about that in the United States? Was that more than half of the people who responded said that they have indeed been visited by loved ones who have passed on. So I’ve watched in my lifetime since the 70s. I’ve watched that statistic go up dramatically, you know, in the beginning back in the 50s. And it’s like, nobody talked about that. Right. Yeah. And so this wonderful opening arc, you know, people think we need to open up so much. It’s like, I look, and I think, Oh, my God, people, we have opened up so much. And now Yes, we will more Yes. Like, this is great, right. So my understanding and you know, I was so grateful for dad, I was aware with my mom and I was around my mom and her last three weeks. But that was a whole different setup. And I was a different person than to I didn’t have you know, it was like, 20 years difference. Yeah. And by the time dad went, and because he went slowly. And it really was the Tibetan dream Yoga is where the Bardo. And that time, I even did a presentation on that the new Bardo, in that where the minds slipping and separating from the body, it’s very much like that. So the senses begin to become more distant. They’re not in here, and it’s not so much in the body. So they’re really acute. But you’re starting to wave, you know, and this is why I think this is one of the reasons why our elderly can be so wise. Yeah. Because they don’t have all the blocks in the way that living requires. Yeah, and that’s not just Western life. I mean, that’s for, you know, the indigenous people all over the planet, that the, the adult years are productive years. So they they have a different duty. You know, their their duty really, is to keep everything together that the sandwich generation, yes, but, but they’re to keep the young people and they all people, all the people healthy, happy and holy, that’s what they’re supposed to do. And when someone comes to you in a dream, most often, it’s that, in essence, energy soul, I call it some who’s letting you know, everything’s okay. Yeah. Because about probably 80% of the time, when people have that it’s like this big Nirvana, big exhale of relief. Yeah, you know, that we know, they’re fine. We may not know exactly where they are, but we know that they’re okay. You know, and many times they’ll say, Don’t worry about me, that kind of thing. Yeah. They’ll leave some kind of really precious message, particularly instances where there wasn’t closure like that before they died. Yeah, that can be very, very helpful and meaningful and, and healthy for the individual. So I, you know, I think that we come into life, we go out of life, and I think the life is, is this wonderful, temporary, very, very fleeting opportunity, we have to give what only we can give. Yeah, and jenkees is called genius. And it really is unlocking our own genius and giving it wholeheartedly. And when we do that, it’s a whole different world. It’s a whole different experience.

Dr. Debra Muth 58:09
Yeah, so true. I lost my best friend in May of last year to a very aggressive cancer. And she kind of made this decision that she didn’t want to have connection with anybody in her last like two weeks, she just wanted to be and, and the last time I talked to her, I didn’t know was going to be the last time I talked to her, like she just wasn’t going to take any more calls from anybody. And, and I was in communication with her sister and all of that. And I remember the day the night she passed away, I had a super busy day in the clinic and I came home and I just kind of had this sense, like, something’s going on. Like, I kind of knew and, and that evening, she came to me in a dream. And, and I kind of was like, okay, that’s weird. And the next morning I woke up to an email that said she had passed away. And that following weekend, she came back to me in a dream and and it was so amazing because she came back and like what you said said I’m okay. But she described where she was and what she was doing and and how life was and and I remember waking up that next morning going oh my god, it This is such a gift because I had this opportunity to transition with her. And I also have the opportunity to see how happy she is someplace else. And yeah, it was so powerful and comforting for me as well but just so incredibly powerful.

Barbara Condron 59:54
Yeah, you know what, and what I’ve seen because of things like that, is that the fear of Dying is decreasing. Yeah. And so it’s not that we feared death, which I think we used to before the Harmonic Convergence, you know, back in 1987. And that was where really things kind of shifted quite a bit, where more people wanted to live and die and that kind of thing. Yeah. And when I think about, and the people I’ve known and conversations, I’ve had all that the reality of of people being able to understand that death is part of life, that eternal life is not just a myth, it actually is infinity. Then life goes on. Yeah, that’s one way to look at it. It goes on whether we’re here or not. Right. Yeah. And so why shouldn’t we? I mean, you know, everything in nature is renewing itself, constantly resurrection. And so there’s that reality. And more people are kind of sensitive to that, if not, downright, yeah, well, of course, that’s how it is kind of thing. The thing that we’re now putting into place is, how are we going to die? We still have a lot of angst about that. And I think that’s one of the things that COVID is surfacing in us, you know, is is that it’s Yeah, because, in my mind, I may not see it in my lifetime, probably won’t. But eventually, illnesses we don’t now is going to be obsolete. It won’t be needed anymore. And I think that comes back to what we talked about in the opening about humility, you know, as we become more friends with humbleness, yeah. And all the things that go with that forgiveness, tolerance, love, you know, harmony, kindness, those kinds of virtues, as we become more centered in those men. There’s not the disruptions, and if there are disruptions, we weather them very well. Mm hmm.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:02:04
Oh, that is so true. That is such a powerful statement and analogy of what’s what’s coming for us. And I think there’s a lot of fear right now, right, a lot of fear of the unknown in so many fronts of what’s happening. And I think it’s that fear that keeps us stuck, instead of being comfortable. And just being okay with what’s coming, and knowing that everything will be okay. It’s so much easier when you can accept that and live like that. But I also understand how hard it is for people to get there. It’s very difficult for some people to just surrender and just accept and know that something better is coming. We just have to be a little patient sometimes. But yeah, it’s there. It’s we’re right on the brink of it.

Barbara Condron 1:02:58
Yeah, I think so too. And here and, and to have the courage and encourage each other to really be creative. And yeah, following what we can contribute, you know, whoever we are, and what we have to contribute doing those things. Because I’ve known quite a few people since COVID, who actually have started doing that they weren’t doing it before, but they are now. You know, they’re living, they’re living how they always wanted to live. Yeah, exactly. And so I think that’s one of the blessings too, that’s coming. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:03:32
I think so too. I’ve seen so many people who have just said, This is my opportunity to leave the job that I thought I needed. Because I was let go or because whatever. I’m more comfortable transitioning now and doing something that I love, instead of doing something that I felt like I had to do, or I had to stay to, that is a blessing and COVID. And I think when we look at the blessings from this, we’re going to be better off for it. Instead of looking at the fear and all of the anger and bitterness that’s happened with it, look at the blessings that have come from this because there are a lot.

Barbara Condron 1:04:12
I think, you know, I often think it would at least be honest. If I don’t know if there still is this in your area or not. But there is this daily rhetoric of the news. The first thing they tell us is how many people died of COVID today, yesterday, and it’s like, you know, I had heard that enough. And I know how programming works, and all that sort of and I also know about the media because I have a degree in jounalism so you know, they’ve got both of them. As like, irritates me to no end. And it is mind control. It is intentional. And I you know, I thought okay, one way to balance this, at least in truth would be if you’re going to say how many people died, then you should also say how many people were born today?

Dr. Debra Muth 1:04:51

Barbara Condron 1:04:52
At least that would be the starting point. Yeah, you know, and then going into the stats of you know, what’s happened before and, and that this really isn’t anything new or big or different? The only different factor that I can see. And you know, I’m well, I love to hear your thought on it. The only different factor I see with it is that it probably was man made, at least in all of our antibiotics that we’ve been doing for a number of years, where, you know, we’ve just strengthen the the biome to want to survive, right?

Dr. Debra Muth 1:05:25
Mm hmm.

Barbara Condron 1:05:25
I mean, you know, it’s alive, too. So it’s because it’s beating our system. Yes. Yeah, it’s like,

Dr. Debra Muth 1:05:35
yeah, you know, the more I dig into this COVID, and you know, Coronavirus, has been in our environment for a very long time, it’s the common cold. I looked back recently, at how many times we’ve seen something like this before. And when President Ford was in office in 76, I believe it was when they had the swine flu pandemic, and came back and said, Oh, this is going to be worse than the Spanish flu. And it was like, boy, this sounds really pretty familiar. And history repeats itself, right. And I just, I don’t feel that there is the, the need for us to be so afraid of this virus as we are, I do think it was manmade, I do think it was intentionally put into our environment, I do think it was genetically manipulated. I am not a person that supports the vaccine, I just can’t get behind that. I am really afraid of what is going to happen to our DNA if we start playing with these viruses. And I and I worry about people who already have existing bacterial infections and viral infections and what it’s going to do to them when they mix. And especially if they’re not vibrating at a higher energy field, or that or they’re conscious of their emotional spiritual side, as well as their physical side. I think we’re gonna see a very sick population on the backside of it because of those things.

Barbara Condron 1:07:13
Yeah, I see the same things. It’s interesting, because, you know, we were talking about dreams some, and back in March, when things started for stirring up, and please stay home, that kind of thing, you know, wasn’t locked down like it is now. Yeah. I had a dream. And I’ve actually had a series of three over last year. That was about COVID. And it was a man and a woman on a beach. And they It was like, they were playing volleyball. But they weren’t. But you know, you can see that. Yeah. And it was kind of like an Alex grades drawing. Mm hmm. Alex gray does the you know, the internal systems and all that they energetic systems. So they you could buy these were kind of transparent, you could see through them, and they were blowing these bubbles, and then they would move them back and forth with each other. Inside the bubble was a thing that looked like the drawings of COVID, you know, look like it was read and had pointers on it and all that kind of thing. Yeah. And in the first stream, they would, they would blow it, and it would just dissipate and go away. In the second dream. I could see inside the body of the people. And you can see that the bubbles that were moving, some of them had those little red things in them, some of them didn’t. And they would they would come up and as they would move them, then it would wear down those spikes until the virus was, like assimilated into the bubble. Mm hmm. So it was like almost like a way to visualize I guess it dissolving away. I guess that’s one way to look at it. But it was like this whole idea was that it was interactive between the man and the woman. And that there was nothing to be afraid of that it was just a natural part of what needed to go on. Yeah, the setting was always the beach, which was just wonderful in terms of cleansing. And yeah, you know, so. So and at the very end of the first dream, it paired with a series of dreams that I’ve had for the last 10 years that I call the hallways because there are hallways which is also a symbol sometimes with people with tunnels or with mazes, sometimes their dreams, same kind of symbol. This was like a long hallway. And there are Windows as you go down the hallway, in this reoccurring dream. And I realized at the end of that dream that I had backed out of the scene, and they were actually in one of those windows and there was a public Act similar to how you would see at like a science museum or something like that. And it said, I’m in unity, which was immunity, but the way it was written and highlighted in color. Sure word was, I’m in unity. So the second m, that the end part of that was highlighted. So it looked like I’m in unity. And I woke up with it, I thought, wow. And so I realized that dream was probably about natural immunity, because I’m concerned about that. Because when you you know, when you give somebody who’s naturally immune of a vaccine, I mean, you really screw with, you really do up royally, when they would be the ones that would definitely carry forward, you know, yeah, species, they’ve got the makeup stuff. So it’s like, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of things that are needing more mindfulness with all of that, all of that, and it’s fear driven, as you said,

Dr. Debra Muth 1:10:55
it’s fear driven. Um, you know, I, I had the luxury of having COVID in the fall. And I call it a luxury because it taught me a lot, right. And before I realized that I was positive for COVID, I had 15 people at my house, all family members, not one person got sick, they were here all weekend with me, my husband and I never quarantined from one another, he never got COVID. And I kept saying, if this is so contagious, how did this happen? In my house, and I was the only one really taking a lot of antivirals and immune boosting stuff, because I’m around it every day in the practice, right, and I was the one that got sick. And and I remember just sitting back and going, this is not all making sense. None of this makes sense. And I recently saw some information from Robert Kennedy, Jr. and his foundation saying that people who get the vaccine and and do get sick with COVID. And they will, because the vaccine does not right, it gives it to them. Yeah. So you can still get it even though you’re vaccinated. Those are the people that will have more difficulties with the virus, they will have more complications, they will have more risk factors, they will have more problems from it. And so I’m really concerned about that, because there’s a lot of people that think they’re going to get the vaccine, and they’re not going to get COVID. And that is not true. They they can still get it. Right. Oh, it’s crazy times crazy time.

Barbara Condron 1:12:31
It is? Well, it is and you know, as long as these airway stay fluid and open and don’t get censored and stuff, yes, as they are right now. But you know, as we open that up, and people want other alternatives for information, which we do, and it’s happening, then the information flow will still be there. So we can, we can reason and we can make better choices, not from reactions and half truths. And I keep remembering Mark Twain. I’m in Missouri, and he’s from Missouri, right? And he said, believe nothing, that you believe only half what you see and nothing of what you read. Yeah. And he wrote, you’re not? Right. Sometimes, it’s really is you know, and so I think it’s a time when we’re learning to value education. And, you know, that’s been the kind of education I’ve been involved with all my life, a nonprofit called the school metaphysics. And just, it’s, the individual is responsible for the books that they read the people that may know, I mean, everything about their life. And so we have every possible opportunity to choose a positive existence that will just take it, even with the situations where they are now, that’s still true. And false.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:13:56
So glad to see that we’re questioning education. And people are starting to say, maybe this traditional school of teaching that we’ve been doing for 100 years isn’t the way we should be learning anymore. And I’ve seen mind valleys leader vision, I can’t think of his last name. He has been talking about this for I’ve been following him for about five, six years now. And he’s been talking about this having a different education system, where we have more experiences, and it’s more positive. And, yes, we need some foundational things. But there’s so much more that we need to be teaching our young people. And I love that concept, because I think we’ve outdated our educational system. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I could talk to you for hours, my dear. And I want to be so respectful of your time. Is there anything you want to leave our listeners with today?

Barbara Condron 1:14:50
Wow. I think probably today too. I’m kind of a proponent right now something called Satyagraha. Satyagraha is a Sanskrit word, it means, saya means truth. and grow. Han means grasping or holding on to. And that term actually was born through Gandhi, back when he was living and when India was going through its fight for independence from from the British Empire. And that was the term that was used to describe the people who were trying, we’re not trying, they were endeavoring to see beyond what was and to go through the enmity between class systems. Is there some of that that’s going to rise more now in our country? And so that common idea of holding on to true, Satyagraha probably is the most important thing. And that’s, and you know, I’d have to say, truth is not opinion. You know, it’s not, it’s not a point to argue that’s not it. Yeah, the truth that that I think he was talking about, and I’m talking about is, is the real values that apply to all of us. And one of the ways I’ve, I’ve pinned that for me is on Facebook, actually, yeah, I’ll say this is free, it’s on Facebook, you can get a hold of it. Every Monday morning, I am spending around 10 minutes, sometimes it goes a little bit more. But all we’re doing is breathing. It’s 10 minutes in awareness. And what it’s about is breath awareness. So we start with Dear viswasam, which is three breaths. And then we have a part from a poem that could come from anywhere in the world that has to do with breathing. And then we land on a scientific view of breathing, because there’s plenty of that now, we add that to the mix. So we have the art and the science, and the importance of the breathing. And then we land on one thing that we can do this week, that will really change the way that we understand ourselves, the way we’ll apply what we learned, that kind of thing. And so that’s a way to me of Satyagraha is to put something in front of us as simple as breathing in and breathing out. And of course, COVID has stirred that up. Yeah, he’s kind of good. And the need for us to appreciate breathing. So that’s, that’s an open activity that I would encourage people to join me with.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:17:17
Where do they find you on Facebook for that?

Barbara Condron 1:17:20
And basically, and just just look me up, because I’m not complicated. Okay, sometimes I’m you know, I’m not very techie. But sometimes I can get an event page up. But if they’ll just look up at Barbara Condren, they’ll find me and maybe breathe, that might be helpful, too. And they can also check into the website that’s building and growing http://www.masterliving.org. And find me there.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:17:40
I love that. So if you’re driving, please don’t stop and try to write this down, or try to write it down while you’re driving. It’ll be on our face on our Facebook page. It’ll also be on our Let’s Talk Wellness Now page. And we will put that in social media and all those the show notes as well. So you’ll be able to find Barbara Condren anywhere that she is. And I would really encourage you guys to reach out to her and get into her tribe of people because we need this more than ever right now.

Barbara Condron 1:18:09
Yeah, thank you for that. I appreciate that. It’s been wonderful to meet you.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:18:13
You too. This has been such a pleasure. Thank you for joining us on the show today. I love this kind of conversation. It’s great.

Barbara Condron 1:18:20
So do I it will make all the difference.

Dr. Debra Muth 1:18:23

Dr. Debra Muth 1:18:25
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