Episode 122: Is Your Gut Causing Anxiety, Depression, or Attention Issues? with Dale L’Ecuyer

Dale L’Ecuyer shares with Dr. Deb, the secret to healing anxiety, depression, and attention issues. She is going to show you the proven steps to improving your health by using 3 simple steps to heal your gut. 

Do not miss these highlights:

[04:39] Dale’s dad had cancer and was given a year to live. He sought out alternative treatments and lived another 40 plus years.

[09:20]  The gut is really running everything in our bodies. 80% of our immune cells are in the gut and 90% of serotonin is produced in the gut.

[10:53] Repopulating the gut with all good bacteria is necessary for it to heal and function properly.

[15:04] Regardless of how well you eat, if you’re not absorbing it and your body’s not able to break it down, you’re not going to feel well.

[22:47]  Nobody in the conventional world has a tool or a protocol to help reverse autoimmune disease, only the integrative holistic people have protocols that can help you with those problems

[23:52] Discover the symptoms that you’re having a  poor gut health

[27:35] Making dietary changes in order to get gut health back on track.

[31:15] If we start gradually and we make those small changes, it becomes more of a habit for us.

[32:19] If you can’t pronounce the ingredients, they’re not natural to our bodies; they’re chemicals.

Resources Mentioned

For the best in Gluten Free Flour and Gluten Support Supplements, visit https://gf-naturals.com/ 

About our Guest:

Dale L’Ecuyer is passionate about holistic health. From watching her father heal from cancer to helping her daughter overcome anxiety and depression, the power of holistic health has always been important to Dale.

Dale is now on a mission to share holistic solutions for mental health. Through years of science and research, Dale has discovered the intricate relationship between gut health and mental health.

“If someone is off balance emotionally, there’s always a root cause. We now know from science that the cause has a lot to do with the gut.”

For Dale, mental health is ultimately about reaching your full potential.

“You can’t reach your full potential without your health. If you don’t have your health, you can’t bring your gifts to the world – and we all have gifts.”  

Connect with Dale:

Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MentalWellnessWarriors

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/dale.lecuyer

Email: Createsuccesswithdale@gmail.com

Mental wellness Quiz: http://ltl.is/QegSV

Transcription of Episode #122:

Debra Muth 0:02
Welcome to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, I’m your host, Dr. Deb. This is where we talk about everything wellness, and learn to defy aging, and live our lives on our own terms.

Debra Muth 0:16
So what is this whole gut brain barrier connection, anyway? We hear about it all the time. It’s become a really new term, kind of a new topic of ideas. But what does it actually mean? How does it affect our brain? How does it affect our gut? How does it affect our emotions? Well, my guest Dale today is a passionate holistic health practitioner, from watching her father heal from cancer to helping her daughter Overcome Anxiety and depression. The power of holistic health has always been important to Dale. She is now on a mission to share holistic solutions for mental health. through years of science and research, Dale has discovered the intricate relationship between the gut health and mental health. For Dale mental health is ultimately about reaching someone’s full potential. So I am excited to have this conversation with Dale today and talk exactly about what this gut brain connection is. How does it affect who we are, how do we eat? And what are the symptoms of a poor gut health? And how do you know that your gut isn’t working, that you’re having problems with these things that are causing mental health issues, and more importantly, she’s going to share some tips with us on how we can make that gut brain barrier connection healthier and better for all of us.

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Debra Muth 2:56
Welcome, this is Dr. Deb and I am Dale L’Ecuyer. We are talking on Let’s Talk Wellness. Now today and our topic is a very important topic for people. We’ve heard all about the gut brain connection. It’s been the most popular topic for the last couple of years. But Dale and I are going to dive in a little bit deeper. So you guys can really understand what this means to have a gut brain barrier connection, how it impacts your life. And I’m sure she’s got some tips for us to make us healthier. So we have that better gut brain connection. Welcome to the show. Dale,

Dale L’Ecuyer 3:30
thank you so much for having me. This is such important information. I’m on a mission to get this message into the hands of people that are really looking for natural health and healing which our bodies have the absolute ability to do.

Debra Muth 3:45
Absolutely we do. And I think we’ve forgotten that over the years that our bodies have the ability to heal. If we treat them in a particular way. Our conventional medicine system has just made it that the only way you can heal is if we give you a pill and that’s really not how the body heals at all.

Dale L’Ecuyer 4:02
Not at all. But the is amazing how powerful the body is, though, and how it can heal and release pain and release trauma and release into a wellness place. You know, just kind of let go and let the body work. Its magic, but it has to be given the right environment, mentally, physically, spiritually, all of it need to be in place. You’ve been sure healing.

Debra Muth 4:29
So Dale, tell us a little bit about what got you interested into holistic medicine. We all have our journey and we all have our story and I love to start with people’s stories.

Dale L’Ecuyer 4:39
Yes, so my story goes back to when I was 10 years old. And my dad was given a year to live he had cancer. And he sought out alternative treatments. They really didn’t have much for him. He sought out alternative treatments and lived another 40 plus years. So that was really my introduction to wow The body can heal itself. So when I raised my kids, I have five children, I really had a strong belief and foundation of that of that belief that the body can heal itself. And so I raised my kids with homeopathy and herbs and acupuncture and Chiropractic and lots of supplements and organic food and really kept them. Well. I mean, they didn’t have antibiotics, only one of my children did. And at one point, I was escorted out of doctor’s office, because I was like, This is crazy. I’m going to get to the root of this, I’m not giving antibiotics like candy to my child. So yes, I’ve always been on this path. And I really am a true believer in holistic healing.

Debra Muth 5:43
That is a wonderful story. I’m so glad you shared that. Because you know, the cancer statistics, statistics are so incredibly high, like they’re claiming 99% of the population by 2025, are going to have cancer. That is an incredible number. And I think we want to definitely think about that and talk about that. And what’s our environment doing and holistic medicine does those things, it talks about the cause, not just okay, here’s a number, you’re all doomed. There are so many things that we can do to keep our environment safer and healthier and putting safe healthy foods in our bodies. And that makes all the difference in the world of how our health is for a long period of time, not just for the short course. But how it how it lasts for a lifetime.

Dale L’Ecuyer 6:31
Yes, I prevention is key. You know, there are nutrients that feed our body. And there are a lot of anti nutrients, which really hurt our bodies. So there has to be a balance. But I think we need to be aware of you know that adage, we are what we eat, because it’s true.

Debra Muth 6:48
It is so true. So Dale, can you give us a little background about what the gut brain connection actually is? And that’s such a popular term these days, everyone’s using it. But what does it really mean when somebody hears that? Yeah, so

Dale L’Ecuyer 7:03
let me go back a little bit in how I was introduced to it. So like I said, earlier, I’ve been in health and wellness really my entire life. I was at a conference and I met a woman who had just left a company that she was with to join the mental wellness company, which is the company that I’m aligned with. And my daughter at the time was really struggling with anxiety. She was in college just graduated, she was having anxiety, a lot of depression, there was some trauma that happened in college, started having panic attacks, she was in a really bad place. It was recommended, you know that she take medication, and we didn’t want to go that route. So I happened to meet this woman. And she told me about this gut brain connection and the protocol. And we were my both my daughter and I were like, give it to me. Let’s try it, we got nothing to lose. So literally, within five days, and I’ll never forget this day she called me. I was at the airport, she called me crying, saying I’ve never felt this joy before ever in my life. So I was just like, Whoa, Mind blown. So to be transparent, it wasn’t all the way up from there, if there were ups and downs and all arounds and I actually met with the formulator just a little wait a little while after that. And he explained to me the process of that the process of detoxification that can happen and can happen, you know, on an emotional level and a physical level. So but as time went on, and she became more balanced. I mean to this day today, no more panic attacks, no more anxiety, no more depression. I mean, she’s not like joyful, like happy all the time. We’re not supposed to be that way. But she’s able to handle emotion, she’s able to handle stress that comes to her life. You know, she doesn’t overreact to things any longer. So it’s really, that really started me on the path of like investigating, like what this is all about. This is such important information. And I am really, like I said on a mission to get this information into the hands of parents, especially, and adults that are really struggling with mental imbalances. I call them it’s not illness, it’s an imbalance in the body. So to go to answer your question, in terms of gut brain connection, we know through science and there’s more and more research coming out over the past five years or more a little over five years about you know, the gut is really running everything in our bodies. So 80% of our immune cells are in the gut. 90% of serotonin is produced in the gut, that’s our feel good chemical neurotransmitter, dopamine, norepinephrine GABA, which helps to keep us calm. All of us neurotransmitters are created in the gut populated in the gut. So if your gut is out of whack. And you have lots of bad bacteria in your gut due to eating too much sugar, lots of medication, lots of stress, then you’re not sending those signals to the brain, those goodfield chemicals, you’re not getting them. So that’s kind of the basis of it. It’s just fascinating what we see. I have a group on Facebook called mental wellness warriors. And in there, you will see stories anywhere from children with ADHD, add OCD, anxiety, depression, autoimmune conditions, all sorts of problems that people have imbalances in the body, and they are all taking the same exact protocol. And they’re all getting amazing results. So it’s based on what your body really needs. And when you give it what it needs, which is you know, really repopulating the gut with specific strains and species of probiotics, prebiotics, Phyto biotics, psycho biotics, then the body will work its miracle, it will start to heal and do what it knows to do to balance out.

Debra Muth 11:13
That is a wonderful concept. Now you’re talking about several different good bacteria, probiotics, prebiotics, you mentioned two other ones that I don’t think our listeners are going to really understand what they are, can you give us a little bit of light on all the different good bacteria that goes in the gut.

Dale L’Ecuyer 11:32
So there the other two that I mentioned was Phyto biotics, which comes from plants and psycho biotics, which are specific strains that really target anxiety, depression, vigor, just overall well being. So that is what we have in our company are very targeted solutions for specifically for mental wellness. So prebiotics are also really important because prebiotics are necessary to help the probiotic that you’re giving to your body, and ability to flourish. So the two of them kind of need to be clinically married, I’ll say, they need to be paired like this specific probiotic pair to a specific, prebiotic. So that’s kind of how it goes. And the more diverse the population of bacteria is in your body, the better. Unfortunately, most people will take you know, acidophilus, that’s only one strain.

Debra Muth 12:36
But when there’s like an overgrowth of sugar, which most people have is an overgrowth of bad bacteria. So we really have to repopulate and kind of push that bad bacteria out. That makes any sense that makes perfect sense. So when you repopulate the gut with all these good bacteria that is necessary for the gut to heal, and for it to work properly, are we going to see those neurotransmitters rise in the body?

Dale L’Ecuyer 13:07
Absolutely. Yes. So the study will show and I don’t know the exact percentages, but it shows an increase in with the bigger, you know, psychological bigger. So feeling overall well being it shows a decrease in depression, on our clinical study, a decrease in anxiety, an increase in energy. So it will show you that in the clinical study exactly what we’re witnessing what we’re seeing.

Debra Muth 13:37
That’s a really interesting and great concept, we do a lot of neurotransmitter testing in our practice, we can test serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, by urine. And we can see if someone’s deficient in one thing too high in another. And there are certain amino acids that we can give to target different neurotransmitters that we want to manipulate. But ultimately, the goal is to get your body to make these things on their own. So in a temporary state, amino acids are great, because what it’s telling us is your guts not absorbing those amino acids from your protein sources anyway. But why is that and you’re taking it that step further. Here’s why your body’s not making those things, your gut bacteria and your gut flora is off, and therefore you can’t process and break things down from your foods. Or simply people don’t have the proper diet to make those neurotransmitters either. That’s another possibility.

Dale L’Ecuyer 14:29
Right? Absolutely. And it’s so interesting, because we also want to another one of the stories that we see is people that have allergies. And it’s like as soon as the gut is back in balance, the gut is healed. There’s no more leaky gut. Then we see just everything just go right into place where it’s supposed to be. Yeah, it’s it’s amazing and people can eat. You know, we have a lot of people like athletes that are they’re eating great. They’re doing all the right things, but they still have you know, anxiety or they still have gut issues? No, regardless of how well you eat if you’re not absorbing it, and your body’s not able to break it down, and you’re not going to feel well, yeah. Yeah, it just all goes back to the gut really does.

Debra Muth 15:19
Every you know, it’s funny when I started practicing functional medicine or integrative medicine, whatever you want to call it, 25 years ago, I was brand new. And my mentor would always say, if you don’t know where to start, start with the gut. And now 25 years later, it’s you always start with the gut, you don’t start anyplace else. And so we knew back then how important the gut was, but we were still trying to treat a symptom. Now we’re looking at, okay, the foundation is the gut. And if the guts not working, everything else that we do to you or for you isn’t going to work either.

Dale L’Ecuyer 15:56
It’s, it’s so true. And it’s so interesting, because I went to a seminar about gut health and the microbiome, and they were actually talking about fecal transplants that they’re doing for people with schizophrenia, you know, definitely incredible. Hope for people like with cancer. So you know, we’re on the cutting edge here of some really exciting stuff.

Debra Muth 16:23
Yeah, we really are. Yeah, I think it’s a great time to be in holistic functional medicine, because there’s so many new things coming to the forefront that we didn’t have access to even 10 years ago. And there’s so much research available now that we haven’t had before. before. It was more anecdotal. But now we actually have sound research. And for me, now that I need the research to say, you know, I have this double blind placebo controlled study, and that’s all I’m gonna go by that that’s not for me at all. But there are people that need to see that research, and we’re finally getting it. And it’s amazing to have proof that what we’ve known for 40 years is actually happening

Dale L’Ecuyer 17:03
is it’s so exciting. And for me, you know, I love the science, but I love the stories even more like when I you know, because I interview women every Tuesday and women and men that are on this protocol. And when I hear that, how their lives have been impacted, and especially their family, when it comes to mental wellness, that is a family issue that is not one person is affected the entire family, especially if that mom, someone who’s got postpartum depression, and now she’s feeling well, again, that is going to impact that entire family that marriage those children, you know, so that’s what really gets me, you know, just want to stand on a mountaintop and shout

Debra Muth 17:49
it. It is so powerful to hear people’s stories turn around. And unfortunately, there are some people with some really traumatic stories of things that have happened to them in their lives. But when you hear how their lives changed for the better because of something that we’ve been able to do for them, oh my gosh, it just puts you up on that mountaintop, and it makes you want to go out and scream it to everybody, because you want everybody to feel as amazing as that person that had the really major turnaround. Yes,

Dale L’Ecuyer 18:23
I have a woman that we’ve been together working together. She’s been on this protocol for think over a year now. But she was on antidepressants for 20 years, and she’s no longer on any of them. And it was a process and you need to definitely, you know, be under the care of a physician when you’re weaning off of stuff like that. Like she feels so free, and so amazing. And she’s in her 60s. So she’s like beginning her life again. And I mean, like as whole and happy and healthy. And I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be on this planet if I’m not healthy.

Debra Muth 19:02
You got that? Right. Yeah, I’m with you. You know, you can put me in the box if you’re gonna stick me in a nursing home somewhere because that’s not living as far as I’m concerned.

Dale L’Ecuyer 19:11
Right. Right. I know. And I feel like everyone deserves that they they kind of lose faith that they can feel better. And that’s what’s so heartbreaking to me. You know, when I see somebody just accept that this is the way it is. No, it doesn’t have to be that way. There are options out there. There are things that you can try in our company. We have a one year money back guarantee. Like I don’t know what other company does that. That’s amazing. It is amazing because some people are going to take a little bit longer. I’ve never known anyone to take that long but you know 60 to 90 days you want to give it to really start cleaning stuff up and repopulating and introducing some new bacteria into the garden. If it’s life changing, it truly is

Debra Muth 20:00
That’s such a great thing because and I think people need two main points that I want to point out that you brought up is a don’t ever give up. You don’t have to live the life the way you are. And B, it’s not going to happen overnight, you have to stick with it, there are a couple of things you’re going to have to do on your side to make it work. But if you want a better life, a better healthy life, there are things that people can do with you, for you and guide you in the right direction. It’s just a matter of finding that right person that has the answer for you.

Dale L’Ecuyer 20:31
And sticking with it. Yeah, it’s not gonna happen overnight, especially if your body has been out of whack for 1020. Some people have been off balance for a really, really long time. Yeah, I think what’s great is once they start feeling a little bit better, it kind of gives you hope, you know what I mean? And then they do better, and then a little better, and then a little better. And you just like you’re on that path. It’s really exciting to watch.

Debra Muth 20:59
That is so exciting. And you know, you mentioned something about leaky gut a little bit ago. And leaky gut, for those of you who don’t understand this term we’re talking about is when the gut gets so out of balance, you develop these microscopic holes in the intestinal lining, and your food particles leak out, and they cause you to have a lot of food sensitivities. Oftentimes, they’re not true allergens, but their sensitivities and deal you can talk about this a little bit too. But in my experience, the sensitivities are typically worse than the allergies themselves as far as symptoms go. Because it’s all the nuisance things that we think are old age symptoms, and they’re really not.

Dale L’Ecuyer 21:39
Right, right. And all the inflammation in our bodies. I mean, that’s another one that this addresses. So many people are living like with inflamed gut, like IBS, colitis, those types of things, or rheumatoid arthritis, or, you know, any of the autoimmune is all based around inflammation in the body. So this addresses that as well. We had someone that had sclera derma, I don’t know if you’re familiar, that’s a really, really awful autoimmune. And she was given a death sentence, they told her she’d be dead in so many years. And she got on the protocol. And when I met her, originally, her hands were completely closed from the disease. And now she was speaking on stage and her hands were completely open. So it was like,

Unknown Speaker 22:29
nothing is amazing.

Debra Muth 22:32
And that gives a lot of hope to people because autoimmune disease does not come with a lot of hope. And, and conventionally, no answers other than immunosuppressant drugs, steroids, comfort measures, those kinds of things. Nobody in the conventional world has a tool or a protocol to help reverse autoimmune disease, only the integrative holistic people have protocols that can help you with those autoimmune problems. And then he because they can be reversed.

Dale L’Ecuyer 23:03
Absolutely. And that that’s one thing that really is upsetting when I hear someone say, oh, there’s no cure for it. You know, they just accept that label of I’m always going to be this way, ya know, and that’s what you know, functional medicine, integrative medicine, they will never say those words, like our bodies have the ability to heal. It’s just that simple. It’s just a matter of finding what it is that your body needs, so that it can do that. And I think we just keep searching and searching and like you said, don’t ever give up. No, just there’s always an answer. You just have to try and continue on and believe that you deserve to feel well, and to be healthy. Absolutely.

Debra Muth 23:52
So Dale, what are some symptoms that our listeners can look for? To know that they have poor gut health?

Dale L’Ecuyer 23:59
Wow, it’s pretty much everything. Yeah, obviously, if there’s any kind of bowel, you know, dysfunction, so things you’re either constipated all the time, or you go all the time. Inflammation for sure. Any kind of mental imbalance if you’re, you know, really depressed. If you really high anxiety, those are all signs of it. Allergies definitely is another sign of dysbiosis we should not be so sensitive to things like our bodies are really strong. We’ve evolved over many years. We should not be sensitive to peanuts and all these things, you know, gluten Well, that’s another whole topic. I’m not even going to go there. But I mean, we shouldn’t be allergic to so many things. You know, even allergies, seasonal allergies, is a sign of imbalance. No, it should not be that allergic and toxicity to just our bodies are kinda overloaded. So I think we’re very sensitive also. But again, if the gut is imbalanced and our than our body is processing the toxins out better and more efficiently, absolutely everything kind of works together, you know, skin inflammation, that’s another huge sign of gut. dysbiosis is, when you have acne, or you have rosacea, or you have, you know, eczema is a huge one, like for babies, which is really, wow, there’s so many babies, it’s almost like common, like everyone, every child has eczema. And it’s like, this is a whole nother going on on a completely different tangent. But there’s a lot of babies being born with C, section one and three. Now. That is something that creates, believe it or not an imbalance in that child’s gut because it’s not passing through the mother and getting the microbiome from the mother. So that’s like a whole nother topic. But it is, again, it’s reversible, like now, you’ll also see if you Google, you know, eczema for children, you’re going to see, give your child probiotics prebiotics, like so thank goodness, that’s getting out there. Because a lot of pediatricians were giving like children acid reflux medication. Yeah. Like, at like infants, like, Oh,

Debra Muth 26:26
yeah, they have acid reflux, and they don’t look at is there a food sensitivity? Is there something from mom what’s going on, and there’s no healing that gut lining, they’re just automatically putting them on acid reducers. And it’s like, oh, my gosh, they’re too young, or this, they’re just too young.

Dale L’Ecuyer 26:43
Yeah. And typically, you’re going to see like, if a mom has postpartum depression, oftentimes, you’re going to see that that baby develops eczema. So you know, it’s really interesting connection, really

Debra Muth 26:56
love these symptoms that you’re talking about, because they’re not the typical symptoms. You know, we we obviously know there’s got issues if there’s bloating, and there’s gas and those kinds of things. But we forget that some of these other symptoms that are more broad, nobody ever puts them back towards the gut, they always look elsewhere, instead of looking at the gut as the issue.

Dale L’Ecuyer 27:16
We call the gut the motherboard, which to me is like the perfect word for it. Because when you think of motherboard, you think of like everything stemming from it. Mm hmm. No, and the signals coming off of it. Like that’s how I picture it and so perfect. To describe, you know, the god.

Debra Muth 27:35
Yeah. So if somebody is having some gut issues, what is a good way for them to start making some dietary changes to heal their gut.

Dale L’Ecuyer 27:46
So I would say the number one thing that you can do to start cleaning up your gut is to eliminate sugar, be really mindful of the things that you’re eating, look at labels, read labels, the amount we should get per day is about 25 grams. If you look at even just a small thing of yogurt, there’s probably about 18 grams of sugar in that alone. If you start reading labels, you can it’s going to blow your mind because you’ll be like, Oh my gosh, I’m getting like six times that amount. And when you eat a lot of sugar, your body wants more of it. It’s very addictive, it creates bad bacteria, and then your body craves it so that it can keep that bad bacteria alive. It just creates this vicious cycle yeast overgrowth. So that would be number one, for sure. Limit limit you know your acidic foods like meats and dairy limited. Definitely more, you know, leafy greens, rich colored vegetables, lots of fiber, fermented foods like sauerkraut, and kimchi and kombucha niso. You know, just any kind of fermented foods are really great. What else I would say try to find ways to decompress, try to find ways to manage your stress levels don’t live in that state of fight or flight where you’re just constantly running, running, running, running, running, running, running, because that is producing like excess cortisol in your brain and your body is responding to that. It’s not the state it was supposed to be living in and it really sets us our gut up. Actually stress is really the number one thing that disrupts our gut. And then when you think about it, when people in really high stress situations, they either can’t eat because their gut is tied in a knot. Or they’re eating like sugar foods like comfort foods, you know, so there’s a definite gut brain connection right there. But you know, so managing your stress, exercising is huge. You moving your body, clean water, lots of it. I know people that don’t drink any water. The goal, you know, the optimal goal for water is half of your body weight in ounces. start measuring it, you know, just get it, get an idea of where you’re at, and do a little bit better each day. The same thing with your diet, like you don’t want to go all in, you know what I mean? Like, do things gradually, like conquer one thing, like, Okay, I got to work on my water intake, do that, until you’re, you’ve got that under your belt, then then start the next thing, maybe start really watching your sugar. And just try to decrease gradually so that it becomes more of a lifestyle. And once you’re aware of it, and once you start really being cognizant of it, you’ll you’re going to notice you’ll have less drops in blood sugar, you’re not going to crave it as much, because the less you get, the less your body wants. And once you completely eliminated it, eliminate it, your body doesn’t want it at all. I mean, it’s it’s fascinating. And that’s another thing that we see is when you start to repopulate the gut, your cravings go away. Because you’re you’re really pushing out that bacteria, and your body wants healthier foods, it’s really interesting. People will say, my, even my kids that my kids are making healthier choices like this is a miracle, like my kids are eating vegetables, what is going on?

Debra Muth 31:15
Oh, great, it’s awesome. I love that you’re encouraging people to start slow, because it’s easy for us to go all in for a day or two. And then we fall off the wagon. And then we feel like we have to give it all back. And now forget it, I can’t do this. And if we start gradually and we make those small changes, it becomes more of a habit for us. And it’s easier. And I think even just even just certain looking at labels and seeing how much sugar and corn syrup because that’s sugar to learn all the hidden words for sugar, and you’ll start recognizing where it is. And then you can start making better choices when you buy products that have less sugar, or no sugar added or no corn syrup. Even those little things can make a huge difference. And they go a long way for you.

Dale L’Ecuyer 32:01
Absolutely no question about it. And fructose. And I mean, if you look at the foods that parents are feeding their kids, I mean, once you start reading the labels, you’re going to be like, Mind blown, just gonna be like, Oh, my gosh, you know, it’s

Debra Muth 32:19
a good rule of thumb is if you can’t pronounce the ingredients in there, you probably don’t want to be eating those things, because they’re not, they’re not natural to our bodies they’re for and they’re chemicals. And, you know, we care more sometimes about putting chemicals on our lawn than we do in our own body. or using chemicals to clean in our house. We don’t do that, but we’ll put them in our bodies. And so we have to be mindful of those things,

Dale L’Ecuyer 32:43
especially with our little ones, because they just don’t, you know, their bodies are so pure, you know, we want to be really careful about only giving them things that nourish them, don’t have it in your home, right? It’s just, you know, I don’t, it’s so important for them to grow a healthy body, because then they’re going to have healthy habits as they age. And they’re going to, you know, that’s what they’re going to want. And they’re not going to have a taste for things that aren’t good for them. Right? They

Debra Muth 33:12
just aren’t going to want it. And they’ll know as soon as they eat it, they don’t feel well, they’ll know. Because they know how their body is supposed to feel it’s supposed to feel good. You know, I always get a little surprised by this. And I don’t know why I still am when parents say well, I don’t want to deprive them. I want them to have a treat. Well what are you depriving them of chemicals and toxins, because that’s exactly what you are giving them you’re not depriving them of anything when you don’t take them to McDonald’s or you don’t you know, take them and feed them junk food and goldfish that are all colored and dyes and toxins. You know, we have to get past this idea that those are treats because they’re really not it’s just toxins.

Dale L’Ecuyer 33:57
And I think it’s interesting also, like if we educate our children through this process, like and you say to your kids like okay, we can only have 25 grams of sugar a day let’s start reading some of the labels when we’re in the grocery store. And the kids will be like wow, Mom, you know this 50 grams of sugar in this Wow, let’s put that back or, you know what I mean? they’ll they’ll be like get them involved in the process or hydrogenated oils? Oh, no, that’s not a good one. We need to avoid that one. You know, to me, like give them a couple of things to become researchers about like my kids are all very well schooled in nutrition in fact, my 21 year old the other day said something like thanks mom for you know, for teaching us how to eat healthy goes I really appreciated that. I was like oh my gosh, I love that. Thank you.

Debra Muth 34:48
Right cuz when you’re growing up, that’s not how they come across. Sometimes to us.

Dale L’Ecuyer 34:52
I realized it you know, because he sees like, and even when they were in like Grammar School and whatnot, they would like tell them Friends, do you know that this like, red number 40 in there, like, that’s really not good for you.

Debra Muth 35:06
I was really toxic. So for you guys that are listening to us, if you have kids with attention deficit, red dye number 40 is not good, and it will send them over the edge. So just take that out and look at like all the fruit juices and some of the fruit drinks and the monster drinks and stuff like that. They all have that. And I don’t know what number it is. It’s is it yellow? Number five, is it four or five numbers? I can’t remember what yellow. But yellow and red are really bad for kids with those kinds of things. Because they’re very stimulating.

Dale L’Ecuyer 35:43
Yeah, I mean, we didn’t even really touch on the ADHD thing. That’s, I mean, those stories, literally bring me to tears. Yeah, because we have kids that were on IEP s that no longer need an IEP. Like, I had mom who got their child on the protocol. And literally in three weeks, he went from D’s and F’s to A’s and B’s. Wow, literally in three weeks. I mean, it was unbelievable. We I there’s so many amazing stories in that group on ADHD and add and, you know, all sorts of new children aren’t. They’re so sensitive to things like they respond really quickly to this protocol. Like really quickly. We had kids that weren’t like, at six years old, like kicked out of school that are now like, I don’t know what you’re doing. But these different child like, I mean, you save in a kid’s life. Yeah, no question. Yeah, we can keep these kids. I mean, what do you think is gonna happen to a child, it’s six, it’s put on ADHD meds, what’s gonna happen when that child is a teenager? Yeah.

Debra Muth 36:53
Those add meds actually shrink the brain, if they don’t help in that matter, they shrink the brain, we’re not supposed to have brain shape shrinkage until we’re like 90. So if we’re putting them on a med that they’re six years old, that’s gonna stunt the girls with their brain and actually reverse it and shrink it, we’re going to see some major major dementia, Alzheimer’s, mental health at a very young age in that population that’s taking those drugs.

Dale L’Ecuyer 37:19
I mean, it’s a huge connection to addiction, you know, in teen years with kids that are put on those meds at early age. Yeah. Total protection.

Debra Muth 37:30
This has been just such a great conversation with you. I’m sure there are people that are very curious about how they can reach you, how do they get their hands on the products that you guys are using the protocol? So how do they connect with you.

Dale L’Ecuyer 37:45
So I would love to invite anyone to come and look at the stories. I mean, I can send you the science as well on Facebook in messenger, whoever you want to reach out to me. But I encourage you to go and look at the stories because that’s what fills me. And that’s what will give you hope. So the group that I have is called mental wellness warriors. And it’s on Facebook, and if you send me or you can just go directly to the group and at request to come in, but make sure that you say that you was invited by me, were invited by me. And then I’ll come in and check everything out.

Debra Muth 38:22
That’s fabulous. I am sure there’s going to be people reaching out to you. I know I want to have a conversation with you about this as well. And anyone who’s listening, if you’re driving or you’re working out, don’t worry about that we will have all of Dale’s contact information in the show notes and also on our social media page so that you guys can reach out to her, get some connections, follow some of the stories and if you know someone or yourself that has problems that has a gut brain issue, please reach out to her. This is an amazing protocol that she has available.

Dale L’Ecuyer 38:54
Thank you so much for having me. I so appreciate you giving me the opportunity to share this important message. Thank you.

Debra Muth 39:03
Hey, it has been really great sharing this time with you guys on the let’s talk wellness now podcast. If this episode has helped you or you feel as though this episode would help someone else we’d love for you to leave us a review, share this podcast. And if you don’t want to miss the most exciting episodes we have coming. We’d love for you to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes or Google Play. Until next time, live every day to the fullest

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