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[01:22] DEB: In pain, depressed, 100 pounds overweight, and in his words, nothing was working. So he did the one thing he had been told for years not to do. He built his plate around meat. Today, the guy who owns a small town movie theater doesn’t touch the popcorn. But I had to ask the question every clinician is asking and thinking already. What about your heart? His answer, and exactly where the evidence stops, is coming up.
[01:51] DEB: Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting-edge regenerative medicine, and give you the tools to heal. I’m Dr. Deb Muth, and today we’re talking about the carnivore diet, eating mostly meat for weight loss, inflammation, and chronic illness. With a guest who says he lost a hundred [pounds — audio cuts out] doing it. And if you’ve been told your labs are normal, but you know something isn’t right, if you’re dealing with the weight that won’t move, joint pain, reflux, and low mood that nothing seems to touch, this episode is going to be for you. So as usual, grab your cup of coffee or whatever helps you unwind, settle in, and let’s get started. Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I’m so excited to have my guest with me today. It’s Kerry Mann. He is a co-director of Healing Humanity. This is going to be a great conversation. And as you guys know, I love hearing personal stories and he’s got one that is going to blow your mind. So, Kerry, welcome to the show.
[02:59] KERRY: Thank you, Dr. Deb. I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and share my story.
[03:03] DEB: So, tell us a little bit about yourself. Tell us how you got started in all of this. Where did you start?
[03:09] KERRY: Yeah, well, I guess if we go back about 19 years, my wife and I, well, my wife and I have been together for 32 years now. We met at age 14. My health issues started shortly after that in high school. I started gaining weight. I started experiencing mental health issues, depression, anxiety. And then 21 years ago, we had our first daughter. And then two years after that, we had triplets. And it was, yeah, it was a moment. It was unexpected. It didn’t run in the family. It wasn’t planned. We actually found out at the five month ultrasound, the ultrasound tech said, uh-oh. I’m like, I’m pretty sure you should be trained not to use that word when you’re doing an ultrasound. But she said, there’s another one in there. There’s three. Oh, wait, there’s four. No, there’s just the three of them. So that’s how we found out we had triplets. And that was 19 years ago. And I just remember at that moment in my life, that was a moment when I’m like, I need to be a provider. Things just got really serious. I need to work hard. I need, there’s like so much responsibility. Amazing blessing, like the biggest blessing in the world, but also kind of a very scary time. And unfortunately I just wasn’t there. My health was bad at that point. I had really bad depression, anxiety, and just this sort of general fatigue. I was kind of plopping down on the couch. I used to think I was just lazy, like this is just me, but in retrospect I realized I was just metabolically unwell and I had brain fog and I couldn’t find my words. I could just kind of go along to get along. So when I needed to be a really good provider, a really good dad, a really good example to my girls and to my family, I wasn’t. I was just — and I just kept getting sicker over the last 19 years. My weight continued to go higher and higher. I had IBS. I had arthritis, I had the depression and anxiety kept getting worse. I finally went in and got the help for that. I was the best patient in the world. I took all the medications that they told me to exactly as they told me to take them but my depression and anxiety never got better. And I just kept getting rotated through medications. I’m showing on the screen here, a big bucket of my medications. At one point I was on most of these. I was on 10 or 15 medications. I had stomach pain every time I would eat. So they diagnosed me with IBS and then they tested my gallbladder and they’re like, it’s borderline. We could leave it. We could take it. And I was just like. Take it like I’m in such pain that maybe that would give me some relief. They removed my gallbladder, didn’t change anything for me. My stomach was just always heavy and hurting and every time I would eat it was just discomfort. Then I started getting arthritis and then I had two kidney stones, which was the worst pain I’ve ever experienced my entire life. I thought I was having a third one about six months after that. And so I kind of just. Tried to suck it up. I was at home and I’m like, I’m gonna just have to pass this kidney stone. Like what am I gonna do? Go to the emergency room? And I was wrong — it wasn’t a kidney stone, it was my appendix. And eventually the pain became so agonizing, I went to the emergency room and my appendix burst on the operating room table just before they were going to do the surgery. Probably saved my life because they were able to get in there, but it turned, it went from a simple procedure to a much more complicated one because they had to then clean it all out. And so yes, I just had health issue after health issue. And then the biggest one for me came in my mid 30s. I’m 46 now. I believe I was 35 at the time. I was at home. I was on the couch. I stood up and I didn’t know where I was. I was confused. I couldn’t find my words. My lips started drooping. My wife started panicking. She called 911 and I took an ambulance ride to the hospital. And I spent about four days at the stroke unit in the hospital and they diagnosed me with a TIA mini stroke. And they did a whole bunch of tests because they’re like 35 years old on all of that medication. Like what is going on with this guy? And they diagnosed me with congestive heart failure. They said, “Your heart can’t keep up with the needs of your body.” When they told me that too, Dr. Deb, I was like, “I’m dead. I need my heart.” And they’re saying my heart is failing. Like, it’s kind of a scary diagnosis, but–
[07:09] DEB: Is that your lowest point, do you think?
[07:12] KERRY: Almost. Almost.
[07:13] DEB: Okay.
[07:13] KERRY: Yeah, just about because they, what they explained to me that day was your heart can’t keep up with the needs of your body, but then it got a little worse. Like, okay, I’m not dead right now, but they told me, congestive heart failure is chronic and it will never get better. They said at the best you could keep it at a baseline. It’s never going to improve. It’s only going to get worse or maybe you can keep it the same. So that was a bit devastating, but I was kind of thankful in some ways because I was so tired and fatigued and I’d stand up and I would get dizzy and all of what they were saying made sense. So at least I have an answer for some of this and now maybe they’ll give me some medications or things that’ll help me with the congestive heart failure. But to kind of bring this, wrap this story up, they gave me medications more added to the bin. It didn’t help. Like I was still having the issues. My ejection fraction was 44 at that time. They checked, they did a heart echo. They checked all of the metrics on my heart. And then I started getting arthritis in my foot. And they said it was gout. I went to another specialist. He said, it’s not gout. That guy was wrong. Trust me. It’s just a bunch of inflammation in your toe. They wanted to do surgery on my toe. It was to the point where it hurt so bad. I could, I couldn’t even walk on it at certain times. I was using crutches for a while. I’d go to the grocery store. I was riding around on a mobility scooter. And that was probably my lowest point because at that point, this was about [four] years ago, at that point, my depression was just overtaking everything. The depression was the worst of all of the suffering and trauma my body’s been through. The unexplainable, just hopeless looking at life through this negative dark lens. Everything’s negative. It was the worst thing for me because Like as a man, I’m like, well, I can suck it up and get through it. But what it did to my family was the heartbreaking part of it. And I would try to fake it. I would try to just act like everything’s fine and it never worked. I’m not a good actor. And then I felt even worse because then I’m just, I’m a big phony. I’m just lying to my family and they, they, they could know within a second. Why is dad sad? Why is dad mad? Why is dad not talking to me for weeks as I’m just plopped down on the couch. So that was really kind of the lowest point for me. And then, well, You introduced this by talking about stories. Then I saw a story on YouTube of a man that found incredible healing by changing his diet. And that was kind of the, I guess the light bulb turning point moment for me.
[09:31] DEB: So all these abnormal diagnoses. None of them actually pointing in a direction that’s making you better and your family didn’t notice as much because you were able to hide it. Right? I think people get really, we get good at hiding how we feel. And we think that nobody notices, but underlying, everybody’s noticing a little bit of something. But I also think people are afraid to say something. They’re afraid to call it out, right? So they’re watching you. They’re maybe talking to people that know you, that love you, asking little questions, but nobody’s giving suggestions. So nothing’s working up until this point all the things that you have tried, all the medications, all the surgical interventions, nothing really works. Which one of those things felt the most unfair to you? Where did everything, everything that was right, that was not right, that nothing was going right, what was the biggest thing that felt unfair to you?
[10:32] KERRY: I think in retrospect, the biggest thing that was unfair was positioning by the doctors. I don’t want to throw doctors [under the bus]. I believe most doctors are great and they want to heal people. The thing that upset me the most was in many cases I was told, we just don’t know. Like it’s a chemical imbalance in your brain. Maybe it’s genetics. We just don’t know what the cause is. And it left me really kind of hopeless, but almost just blaming myself. Well, then it just must, I’m defective. There’s something wrong with me. But conveniently in all those cases where it’s like, we just don’t know, but we have a solution and it’s medication. And in my head and in retrospect, it’s like, how can you not know what’s causing it, but then have this medication solution. And now it’s so crystal clear to me that, well, that makes sense that those things never work because they weren’t actually addressing the root cause of it.
[11:21] DEB: Yeah. In all of those appointments, how often did anyone ask you what you were actually eating?
[11:27] KERRY: I love this question. None? Zero? Maybe one, to be fair. I probably went to hundreds of doctor’s appointments. I’m not even exaggerating. Over my adult life, so many of them, when I was diagnosed with IBS, they talked about diet. They put me on the low FODMAP diet, and I followed it religiously. I did everything they said. I still had stomach issues and bloating and all sorts of problems. So that was the only time in no other case did they [ask]. And it’s funny to me afterwards. I’ve heard someone say this before, but it’s like, we have a little, I live on a homestead here in Wisconsin. We got goats and chickens and animals, and we do vet visits. The first thing the vet asks every time you go, there is, what are you feeding them? What’d you feed the dog? What’d you do this? And it’s like, we ask that for our animals. Why don’t we ask that for humans? And then you look back to it’s like Hippocrates thousands of years ago, all disease begins in the gut. Many doctors take an oath — let food be thy medicine. Like it really does all start in the gut. I never would have believed it before, especially with my mental health. Like that’s a, that’s something up here. That doesn’t have anything to do with what I’m eating here, but it turns out-
[12:32] DEB: Yeah, that brain connection is so powerful.
[12:34] KERRY: Yeah.
[12:34] DEB: You know, I see this constantly in my office as well. People get a separate answer and a separate supplement or medication for every symptom they have. So there’s a pill for reflux. There’s a pill for mood. There’s another one for joint pain and nobody steps back and asks what might be connecting all of these things. We see them all individually. We see every specialist individually and none of us in the world of medicine talk to each other to talk about the patient as a whole person. We’ve kind of parceled everybody out and this is my specialty, this is yours. The family practice person or the primary care is supposed to be the person that pulls it all together, but oftentimes they don’t. And food is one of the first places that I think we need to be looking at. It’s not only the root cause, but it oftentimes is overlooked. So back then, what kinds of things were you regularly eating?
[13:27] KERRY: Yeah. So I tried everything. I tried every diet and years ago, I think this was probably 20 years ago, I saw a documentary on Netflix. It was called [title unclear], and it was all about a ketogenic diet. And I had never even heard of a ketogenic diet before. And I tried it. Like it was very, the documentary was very interesting and eye opening. It made a lot of common sense to me. So I’m like, I’m going to give this a try. And it really helped me. It helped me more than the medication ever had. In fact, I remember it, it helped me with my mood. Like, wow, I feel, my sleep a little bit. And I was able to lose some weight. My problem with it at that point was I didn’t truly understand the ketogenic diet. And so I would yo-yo, I would lose 40 pounds and I would gain 70 pounds and I would go on and off and I was constantly negotiating and moderating my addiction to carbohydrates. And it’s impossible to successfully overcome an addiction through moderating an addiction. Like any other addiction I would have, I would just abstain from. But I did the standard American diet. I did ketogenic diet. I counted calories. I did one meal a day, intermittent fasting. Literally, I think I tried everything and the most success that I ever had was with Keto but yeah, it was just up and down. And I really didn’t realize the impact of certain foods. And I will say this too, when I was doing keto and for most of that run, I was very diligent about eliminating any sort of animal fats. So I would do a ketogenic diet and I would eat chicken breast. I can’t have fatty meat because that’s gonna clog my arteries and give me a heart attack salad and green vegetables and things like that. And so the amount of fat in my diet was almost none through most of that journey.
[15:09] DEB: So if you could give me one sentence, what do you think most people are getting wrong about food?
[15:15] KERRY: Oh, that’s a great question.
[15:17] DEB: I know I’m limiting you.
[15:18] KERRY: Yeah. Well. All disease begins in the gut. Literally all of it. I think all of it does. The biggest thing people are getting wrong with food is almost all of the health issues we have. Here’s the answer. We should all be concerned with two things when it comes to food, insulin resistance and inflammation. And almost nobody is. Like I believe that’s the root of almost all of these major health issues we see. Heart disease being the biggest one. The number one killer in the world is heart disease. You talk to some people that really know what they’re talking about. Insulin resistance, inflammation, damages your arteries, blood vessels, the cholesterol goes into repair, the cholesterol gets the blame. And my whole life I was concerned with the cholesterol and the fatty meat. I was completely oblivious to inflammation, insulin resistance, and my body was riddled with inflammation. So much of the issues I had. Like when we say itis, I learned this too. If it ends in itis, that’s inflammation. So appendicitis, I lost my appendix, gastritis, arthritis, I had it in my elbow, my leg, my foot, that was just arthritis. It was just inflammation. I was this close to getting this crazy surgery on that toe I mentioned earlier. They were gonna like put like a ball bearing joint in there, and it was just inflammation from the foods I was eating. So that’s the biggest thing I think people get wrong with food. We’ve been so misled to worry about the wrong thing when there’s much larger things we should be worried about. Like you look around in the world right now, nine out of 10 people are metabolically unwell. 70% of people are overweight. There’s an epidemic of fatty liver disease going around. Like you look at children right now and children are walking around with fatty livers and pre-diabetic. It’s just so much of this is from eating ancestrally inappropriate food that’s causing insulin resistance and inflammation. And I think everyone should understand that I didn’t, I didn’t even really know what it was. I kind of knew what inflammation was, but didn’t know what insulin resistance was or any of those things. One other thing you said earlier on the medications was so true. You end up with it’s these, they would send me to this specialist and this specialist and they were never talking. But the other thing I just wanted to add to real quick was that happened for me. And I think many people is, I ended up with symptoms from the first medication that I then went to see a specialist. They put me on a second medication, but it was actually treating the symptoms that was caused by the first medication. So at the end of it, a bunch of these pills were just to treat the side effects and symptoms from pills they took earlier. It’s just this cascade of pharmaceuticals. And then you’re at the end and you’re like, I don’t even know what is this symptom from? Something I ate or is it from another pill I took or I don’t even know where it’s from because there’s so many inputs.
[17:47] DEB: So true. It’s so that’s what we do. And we rarely take away pills. We just keep adding more in the industry. So who do you think is responsible for us creating this new lifestyle of obesity and fatty liver and, you know, insulin resistance and all of that. Do you think it’s the food companies, the guidelines of the foods? Is it the doctors? Is it us as people? Who’s responsible for this?
[18:10] KERRY: Great question. I, I don’t, I’m not like, I don’t have a conspiracy theory that it’s just like a big, bad corporation. I think it’s just overall the incentives are wrong. Every single incentive is only for profit. This is where you end up with. You end up with cartoon characters on cereal boxes and you end up getting children addicted to sugar and carbs at a young age because they become a lifelong consumer and you’re completely blind to all of this when every single motivation and incentive is solely profit. And it’s the same way with the medications as well. When I was put on these medications, like the statins, for example, that is a drug I’m supposed to take for the rest of my life. It’s one of the most profitable drugs in the world. Their goal wasn’t to heal me or treat the root cause. The goal is rather, how do we maximize money? Now it’s not just one like evil doctor saying this. It’s just the whole system on both ends, the food system and the healthcare system and the pharmaceutical system. 100% solely kind of heartlessly, maybe without any regard to people’s health is set up for incentives. It’s just the way business is, unfortunately. A food company’s job is to make food that’s going to be profitable. And then they found, well, if it’s more addictive, we make more money. And then before you know it, they’re making the most highly addictive food in the entire planet without any regard to our health. And we kind of end up where we are now. Interestingly, I don’t blame big food companies that make addictive food. I don’t blame grocery stores. I don’t blame movie theaters that sell junk food because ultimately it’s up to the individual. I could protest outside a big processed food manufacturer until I’m blue in the face for the rest of my life is not going to do anything unless the individual decides they want to take their health into their own two hands and change their life. And as I’ve said on my YouTube channel before, kind of become the captain of your own ship and take control of things and start steering the ship yourself. That’s the only way things are going to change.
[20:02] DEB: Absolutely. You know, we vote with our dollars, right? If we don’t like something, we don’t have to buy it. And if we don’t buy it, there’s no incentive for them to make it because they’re not getting a profit and they’ll start turning the food over. And I love what Bobby Kennedy is doing, trying to get our food cleaner and get the dyes out and all of those things. But at the end of the day, if we as consumers continue to make bad choices and spend our money on these crappy foods that are out there, they will continue to make them. And this will not change for our betterment. You know, if we try to tell the community you can only eat this and we’re only going to make that, well, then we’re not any different than a communist country telling people and dictating to them what they can and cannot do. And that’s a slippery slope as well. And for me too, I think it’s really hard. Like when we make healthy foods so expensive and we make crappy food really cheap. And when you have a family that’s struggling and you know, it’s the difference between I’m going to buy this organic food or I’m going to buy a bag of Cheetos and the bag of Cheetos is going to go further and fill my kids up better. Unfortunately, some of their choices are like that. But at the end of the day, when we’re sick and it’s costing us more money to get healthy down the road. That is more expensive than what we could do on a day to day basis as well.
[21:21] KERRY: Yeah, 100%. I’m with you on the government and changing the food pyramid and things like that. I think it’s amazing for awareness. But like you said, it’s up to the individual if they want to change. One thing that sort of reframed for me that helped me that maybe will help your audience as well is I’ve just. I’ve always hated bullies. And I feel like in some ways, this is kind of like a bully situation, not to be dramatic, but I was kind of bullied before, like these big food, processed food companies, their wallets were getting bigger and bigger and bigger as I was getting sicker and sicker. And I was falling for it over and over again. And unfortunately, A lot of people are falling for it and they don’t realize it. They’re just, they’re addicted, they’re hooked. Or like you said, they think this is the only food I can afford. But when you’re able to take a big step back and do the honest, true math on that, that cheap food comes at a much larger cost than people really realize. Like, for example, I was able to safely get off all this medication with the help of my doctors. The expense of all of this.
[22:18] DEB: Yeah.
[22:18] KERRY: I’m just paying for the prescriptions, but going to the doctor and then the side effects from it that cause fatigue and brain fog and all sorts of downstream issues. The other thing that I found too that’s so interesting is I consider what I do now eating a proper human diet. And when I’m eating the proper foods that my body needs, I’m satiated and I’m full and I’m eating so much less than I would before coming from the perspective of a standard American diet a lot of people will see how I eat and they’re like, I could never afford to eat that way. And I’m just like, I get it because you’re, you’re on that mindset of where you’re eating three meals a day with snacks in between and you go to Starbucks and you get dessert. You’re doing all of these things. You have all of the sauces and side dishes and spices and all of these things. When you do the honest math and you look at how I’m eating, it’s actually a lot less expensive. I eat less frequently because food I’m eating satiates me. My body’s like, I’m good. It’s the most foreign feeling for me and most people because we’re just not eating the way that literally we have been, I believe since the start of time. We’ve eaten mostly a proper human diet since the start of time. It’s only in the last 100, 200 years that we’re eating multiple times a day even the fruits that we’re eating. They’re a million times better than Doritos and junk food, of course. But we were never intended to eat them three, four, five times a day out of season. And many of these fruits are just genetically engineered to be big balls of sugar. They’re nothing like they used to be before. And a lot of that is just completely inappropriate. And when people worry about intermittent fasting, or eating a proper human diet. It’s like, you should really be worried about the state of humanity right now where people are grazing six times a day, blood sugar, insulin resistance, just through the roof, all of these things going on that most people are oblivious to.
[23:59] DEB: Yeah. It’s really hard. You know, it’s interesting. You were talking earlier about fatty liver and some of the things that are going on. And my husband was diagnosed with fatty liver. His mom had fatty liver. Her mom had fatty liver and died of non-alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver. And I went to my mother-in-law when this happened and I said, “He doesn’t drink, so what’s going on?” And my daughter was diagnosed with celiac disease at 17. And I said to my mother-in-law, “You know, this came from somewhere genetically and I can see it comes from my husband’s side of the family. So it comes from your side of the family.” And we know that quote unquote silent celiac where you don’t have the symptoms creates cirrhosis of the liver, I said, so maybe that’s what happened with [your mom]. And my mother-in-law decided to get tested and sure enough, she had celiac disease. And she followed a diet for a while, then stopped because it was too expensive and it was inconvenient and she didn’t want to eat that way, didn’t want to deprive herself of those things. And now she’s older and she’s developed fatty liver and my husband has fatty liver. And I said to him one day, I said, you know, you really need to give up gluten. And of course that was not the thing to say, right? To the guy that likes Italian food every week. And when I said that to him and I said, this is getting worse, like we can see your liver is getting fibrotic and you’re young, you’re only 61 years old. And I consulted with a colleague of mine that was really good with fatty liver. And he said, you need to put them on this medication. I said, I can’t even get the insurance to cover an ultrasound for him to look at it. [He said,] “Oh, that’s ridiculous. They’ll do it.” I’m like, I’m telling you, I’ll prescribe this med for him. Prescribed the medication didn’t get covered. And I said, that’s good. I’d rather not. So what do you think about doing retatrutide? It’s a peptide. No, no, no, don’t do that. That one’s terrible. Do tirzepatide or semaglutide. And I said, yeah, but the research on retatrutide is really good for fatty liver. Like that is one of the things that it does the best for. “Oh no, no, no, no, no.” Okay, fine, whatever. I didn’t listen because I’m a rebel too and I don’t listen. I follow my own research. And so I put him on, retatrutide. And four months later, we retested his liver enzymes and he no longer has fatty liver. He no longer has a fibrotic liver. And if people don’t know what retatrutide is, it’s a GLP-1. It’s not FDA approved yet. So you have to get it from a specialty pharmacy, but it is meant to lower the insulin, get rid of that insulin resistance that we have, control some of those things. And to see it work that effectively, it’s a natural compound. It’s a small branch chain amino acid. So it’s not going to hurt him like that other medication that they would have given him. And I think a lot of times people just don’t understand if they’re not in a world where there’s alternatives to them, they don’t understand and they follow this world of medication, which just causes more and more problems. And it was a good example of controlling the insulin, controlling the blood sugar, controlling the diet a little bit more. This medication helped him to be able to do that and reverse the damage that was occurring. And we just don’t do that enough, unfortunately.
[27:08] KERRY: Yeah, yeah, it’s the default is what kind of quick medications can we put people on, what sort of pills and…
[27:14] DEB: Yeah, exactly. So let’s get back to you a little bit. So tell me, give me the biggest change moment for you. Like what was the moment that changed everything? Was it a photo? Was it a doctor’s visit? Or was something someone said to you? What was that moment that you were like, I have got to make this different now?
[27:34] KERRY: Yeah, so I saw a YouTube video. And it was from a man named [Dante Ferrigno] and he was talking about doing this strict ketogenic diet carnivore diet and I’m like this is insane. This is crazy. You’re gonna die. I can’t do that. Like I have heart disease. I’m gonna clog my arteries. But he had all of my health issues and he wasn’t a doctor. He was just like me. He was basically like me. He was overweight and he had IBS and he had all sorts of inflammation, and when he started saying this — I think it was one of the first times I ever heard of a carnivore diet — I just thought it was completely crazy like even if it made sense like it’s gonna be expensive It’s gonna be boring like just eating meat. But then I started thinking about it more and I thought about the success I had with the ketogenic diet. Like, well, what he’s describing is just like a strict ketogenic diet and sort of an elimination diet. And so the video I saw from him, he was like a hundred pounds overweight. He looked like he was dying. Like he looked horrible. He just was not doing well. And then my wife and I noticed that video was two years old. Very cynically, I’m like, there’s no way this guy’s eaten meat two years later. Let’s go look at his most recent YouTube video. And we did that and my jaw just dropped. I could not even recognize him. He lost all the weight. Of course, we humans are kind of visual and that’s the first thing we look at, but it was so much more than that. I watched his most recent video and he was just glowing, overflowing with joy and excitement, just describing all of these things he had reversed with his mental health, with his brain fog, with his inflammation. And he was just so passionate about it. And I was like, we talked about incentives earlier and a lot of them are wrong. They’re just for profit. I was questioning his incentive. Like, why is he sharing all of this? Like, what’s this dude trying to sell me? And then I’m like, this is still crazy. There’s no way I could do something like this. And I started doing more research. I found Dr. Ken Berry online who was advocating for a carnivore diet for healing. He also advocates for ketogenic diets more sort of long-term. And I watched like 500 Dr. Berry videos and I was trying to find where’s the coaching program I got to pay $10,000 for. What’s this guy trying to sell me? Like this is some of the stuff he’s saying is crazy. And I never found it. I just got to the end of it. I ended up getting to a video that he did about type two diabetes and it was titled how to reverse type two diabetes. And I’m like, I’m going to get him on this one because you can’t reverse type two diabetes. My aunt has had type two diabetes her entire life. My cousin just lost his leg amputated to type two diabetes. That’s not a reversible condition. That’s like a genetic fluke. Like all the doctors were telling me like, this is just you, we don’t know. I had no idea it could be reversed. And I watched that video and then I read the comments. The video had like a couple million views. I think it had about 3000 comments. And the first one was, “Dr. Berry, you saved my life.” That’s kind of crazy. And I’m like, well, it’s just a one-off or maybe it’s a bot or something. And then I started reading more of the comments. I read a couple hundred of those comments and there were endless comments of Dr. Berry, you saved my life. Dr. Berry, you reversed my type two diabetes. There were people saying, I reversed my type two diabetes in under a month. This was my A1C before, this was it after. Thousands of comments, 3,000 comments on there. Almost all of them were like. One said, Dr. Berry, listening to your 10 minute video did more for me than going to my family medicine doctor for 25 years. Like I’m healed now. All of these stories of healing. And then long story short, I was still so reluctant and I’m looking for I’m like, yeah, great, great, great. But I have congestive heart failure. I can’t eat fatty meat. And then I saw Dr. Philip Ovadia. He was on The Diary of a CEO, which I think is like the third largest podcast in the world right now. And he was he’s a heart surgeon. He’s on this podcast and he says, I performed 4,000 heart surgeries. This man has literally held people’s hearts in his hand. And he said he’s been eating a carnivore diet for like nine years as a heart surgeon. And he wrote this book, Stay Off My Operating Table. His whole book was just about eating a carnivore or keto diet to heal yourself. And his whole thing is heart disease is caused from insulin resistance and inflammation, but we’re blaming cholesterol. Does cholesterol play a role? Yes. It’s a much smaller role. There’s all sorts of studies that show this. There’s a big women’s health study that was done. It’s a huge study. And it shows that you are six times more likely to suffer heart disease if you’re pre-diabetic if you have insulin resistance and inflammation, then if your cholesterol numbers are slightly high. But everyone in the world is only concerned with cholesterol and the basic lipid panel and they’re completely ignoring what is six times more likely to give you heart disease: inflammation, insulin resistance. So when I saw Dr. Ovadia, I was almost convinced. And then the last thing I saw was Joe Rogan. Jordan Peterson was on Joe Rogan and he was talking about how his daughter found this miraculous healing and he was doing this carnivore diet and he lost 70 pounds. The floaters in his eyes went away. And then he said, “And Joe, I have been off all my antidepressant medications for one year now.” That was what sealed the deal for me because I had no idea this whole thing could affect my mental health. And at that point, like so much of this medication and this bin was various types of antidepressant medication. I ran the course on so many of them. I would take them, the doctor would say, you gotta take this for three months before we know if it [works]. I took it religiously for three months at the end of three months, did nothing for me. They’re like, okay, We’re gonna up the dosage a little bit. You’re gonna take it for three more months and we’re gonna see if it works or not. So I did one SSRI for like a year, got to the end of it, maximum dosage, and they’re like, we’re gonna try another one, three months. So I was on every SSRI. So when I heard Dr. Peterson say that, I’m like, well, he’s an anecdote. Maybe this was just him, but I would do anything. I would do anything. I’d mortgage my house and give everything up in the world to have some relief from this horrible hopeless depression I was putting my family through. Maybe I could do this. And so I positioned it for me because I still couldn’t wrap my brain around carnivore. I’m just going to do this as an elimination diet. I’m going to get rid of sugar, seed oils, carbs, all this junk. Ultimately, the only thing that’s left is beef, butter, bacon, eggs, and meat. I’m only going to do it for 30 days and then I’m going to go into just a more appropriate ketogenic diet, add salad back and greens and things like that. And that’s what I decided to do. I said, I’m going to do it for 30 days and sorry if I’m rambling. I just experienced healing so quickly after I started doing that. I stopped snoring almost immediately. That was one thing I didn’t mention before. I was on a CPAP machine for like 15 years. I did that thing so much. I had permanent red marks on my face from that mask. I would literally stop breathing throughout the night. And I was told from the sleep doctor that, well, you’re like a hundred pounds overweight, Kerry. Do you want to stop snoring? We got to get this weight down. Never told me how to do that. But turns out it wasn’t the weight that was causing me to snore. It was the inflammation. My body was inflamed. My airway was inflamed. I was snoring. So I stopped snoring almost immediately on carnivore. And that was almost worth the price of admission alone because Then my sleep was better. I woke up feeling rested. I felt great. My mood was slightly better. I remember saying to my wife, Could you imagine if I was able to sleep this good every day? What would that do for my mental health? Just that little component alone. And yeah, I just kept experiencing more healing after that for that 30 day period.
[34:46] DEB: So I’m curious before you started this, what did your wife and kids say when you told them you were going to go carnivore or eat mostly meat, especially since one of your daughters was vegan I hear, right?
[34:58] KERRY: It was a huge collective eye roll of, “Your dad goes again with another crazy diet. He did the one meal a day, the calorie counting, the Weight Watchers, the keto diet.” My daughter was not happy. [She thought,] “Great. More animals are going to die.” I was watching nonstop content on the TV, YouTube. So she saw Dante’s story and saw some of this. So she, she was like, on one hand, maybe this is hope for dad. But on the other hand, now more animals have to suffer because she was at that point, my daughter, Emma was vegan for almost four years or five years at that point. So yeah, they kind of weren’t happy and I was going solo. I was off on my own doing it.
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[36:09] DEB: All right, so thanks, everybody. We’re back. Kerry, I want to hear what about your heart? So you’ve listened to this doctor who’s held thousands of hearts in his hand. He’s eating carnivore. Everybody’s telling you it’s okay. I’m assuming you’re still a little skeptical, still a little nervous about it. You get through that 30 days of eating carnivore. You’re starting to see some differences. What happens then?
[36:34] KERRY: Yeah. So within that 30 days, I stopped snoring, which was great. And then around week three, I had this, whoa, something’s going on different here moment. Not that I’d overcome my depression and anxiety — that took longer — but my mood was noticeably improved more so than I had noticed in decades. I felt so good and my inflammation started going away. I noticed that because I’ve had this pain in my back since high school. I always thought it was a disc or something. I injured by lifting something foolishly years ago. Went away and I was like, what is that? It feels so good. And then on week three as well, my stomach, I said to my wife, I can’t feel my stomach. I’m like, I don’t know how to describe it, honey, but I can’t feel my stomach. My entire life I would eat and my stomach would be heavy or bloated or hurting. And it was just like, it was just air there. There was nothing there. And so that was within the month. Shortly after that depression anxiety just tapered down to where it was just gone. I was no longer depressed anymore. That was one of the most incredible things for me. The pain in my foot, that took around 70 days. Um, it slowly got better, but by day 70, I had no more pain in my foot after months of this hobbling around on that toe and then for the heart. So I can’t say precisely other than… I was like two months into carnivore and I felt like I could run a marathon. Like I’m not hyping this up. I could barely stand up before I was so dizzy and fatigued. I started exercising for the first time in my life, just out of this excess energy. I would get up in the morning. I’d go for a walk outside and get the morning sun in my eyes. I started doing these other weird things I never would have done. Like put my feet in the grass and grounding and getting fresh air and started to exercise. And so one year on carnivore approached, I was only gonna do this for 30 days, by the way. On day 30, I was gonna do just, I was gonna add salad back and do keto, but I’m like, you know I’m feeling so good and I’m not wanting for any of those things. Like I eat some bacon and eggs or some ground beef or I’m satiated and I’m full. And I had a doctor on early, Dr. Chaffee that explained to me, he said, “Kerry, you know, there are no essential carbohydrates. You get everything you need in the proper proportions from fatty meat.” And I’m like, “That can’t be right, Dr. Chaffee, what about the vegetables? What about all of the vitamins, minerals, all the good stuff in the vegetables?” “Kerry, the animals that are designed to eat those, eat those. They extract those things, you eat the meat, you get it from the meat, plus you get the meat and the fat and the protein and everything you need from it in the proper proportions.” I had blood tests done, I had work done, I’m like lacking for nothing, my blood work, everything is looking amazing. So I’m like, I’m gonna just keep going on day 30, I’m gonna go to 60, and then I went to day 60, I’m gonna I just kept on going until I got to one year. That one year, I had nothing wrong with me. I literally felt better than I had my entire life. I’m down like a hundred pounds since my heaviest. No longer fatigued. No, I’m like there for my kids and family. I’m being a good example. Everything was great, but. I felt like I could have run a marathon. And so I’m like, I want to go into the doctor and see if anything changed with my heart. And the thing that prompted me to do this just before one year was my wife and I were watching a movie. We were laying in bed, watching a movie. She had her head on my chest and she said to me, she looked at me and she’s like, “Your heart sounds happy.” for the first time. I’m like, what does that mean? That’s crazy. And I don’t know if I mentioned this earlier. I have had a lifelong irregular heartbeat since birth. I have worn every iteration of heart monitor you can imagine. In kindergarten, it was this huge vest. First grade, second grade, third grade. Now they just have this little heart monitor, Holter monitor you wear. I’ve worn all of them. My heart was highly erratic, highly irregular since birth. I know this sounds crazy, just stick with me She said it sounded normal. I’m like, that’s impossible. That’s crazy. And then I went to Walgreens. I bought a stethoscope. I listened to it. It sounded normal. I’m like, this is nuts. I’m like, I got to go to a doctor because of this reason. And because I’m jumping out of a chair, I could run a marathon right now. I don’t have those symptoms of fatigue. I had a heart echo done And the results that came back just blew my mind. My ejection fraction before was 44. It was 65 now, which is perfectly normal, by the way, for your audience. You’re probably aware of this. I was disappointed. I wanted to get 100%. And the doctor said, “You would be dead if that was 100%.” 65 is normal. He literally wrote, and I’ve shared this on my YouTube channel, ’cause people are listening, I get it, it’s unbelievable. It just doesn’t make any sense. He wrote in my medical records, I’ve shared this on my YouTube channel, “I no longer have evidence of cardiomyopathy. “I don’t have congestive heart failure.” He told me like, “If another, if the best cardiologists in the world “look at your heart right now, they would never know “that you were diagnosed with congestive heart failure before.” and my ejection fraction went from 44 to 65 and my heartbeat is completely normal. In my medical records, multiple doctors have tested it and checked it. And the other thing that’s crazy with all of that, I still can’t wrap my brain around the irregular heartbeat changing, but that heart echo that they did, the only thing they ever really told me, I’ve done three heart echoes before I did one after, they only told me about my ejection fraction. Which is like, how much can your heart keep up with the needs of your body So that had normalized. They didn’t tell me about the other dozens of metrics they look at when they do a heart echo. It’s more than just the ejection fraction. They look at the size of the heart, the thickness of the wall of the heart, the volume, the stroke, the pumping, all of these different metrics. I had no idea. I’m not a doctor or expert. I actually plugged all that into AI. I’m not recommending AI for a lot of things, but I’m just like, show me the differences between these two. It was simple math, but. Every one of my metrics improved, including the fact that my heart was enlarged before from so many years of the congestive heart failure and damage. It was down to like its normal size. And so yeah, that was the craziest thing for me. I’ve since talked to Dr. Ovadia actually about this in our documentary, but blows my mind. He explained to me that this is unusual. This doesn’t happen for everyone, but he has seen people reverse [this] multiple times he’s seen this. And he explained to me that. It is in the literature. This isn’t like a keto carnivore thing that the heart performs more efficiently on ketones versus on glucose. The brain does as well. There’s a lot of evidence to show that. So he’s like, that’s one thing. You also lost a bunch of weight. So that’s going to put less pressure on your heart. So that’s another thing. You’re also getting proper electrolytes that maybe you weren’t before through the standard American processed diet that you’re missing out on that are important to your heart. But Long story short, my heart, like it’s, I did a video on my YouTube channel with a recording of what it sounds like now compared to what it sounded like before. And it’s remarkable. The change is like perfectly normal heart now.
[42:50] DEB: That’s awesome. So let’s dive into diet, right? So a lot of people are hearing carnivore. They picture someone eating a stick of butter, a half a cow, you know, eating steak every day. Clarify for us what a human diet that is strictly meat looks like on a regular basis every day.
[43:09] KERRY: Yeah for me I learned from Dr. Ken Berry who he talks about this brilliantly. He covers so many different health topics but he advocates for beef, butter, bacon, eggs. You hear bacon and a lot of people get scared. He’s done videos on that as well. I believe we’ve been misled on many of these things. My diet on carnivore that first month, for example, it would be instead of eating breakfast cereal, I would have scrambled eggs and sometimes ground beef, sometimes just scrambled eggs by themselves, sometimes bacon. That would be one meal and then usually around one or two I would have another big meal which would be just meat. Sometimes a chuck roast. Sometimes burger patties. Burger patties have been a big go-to for me. Sometimes just ground beef. To your audience, I know this sounds crazy and it sounds boring and expensive and all of these things, but you feel satiated on eating so much less. There’s all these unexpected benefits that come from it, including this liberating feeling. It’s just this food freedom sort of thing when you’re no longer — before it was like, what side dish are we gonna have? Go to the store, we got this recipe, we gotta have this sauce, we gotta have this. And I was just like, I eat some eggs and bacon and my body’s full and I’m good. And it’s not like a, every time before it was straining or stressing or moderating or negotiating with myself. Like I’m still hungry, I gotta eat more. The food noise just went away completely eating this way. So beef, butter, bacon, eggs. Basically any animal products. When people hear this, they’re like, it’s nuts, and they hear it from me because I’ve chosen to continue to do it I’m four years now into this. What I advocate for people and what we do in our film is this is a therapeutic diet and elimination diet to heal yourself. Don’t look at it like I’m gonna do this the rest of my life like, “Kerry is, he’s a little crazy.” But could this be a potential way to reverse your insulin resistance and inflammation and help with some of those health issues so that you can get healthy and get back to a baseline and then maybe you go to a keto diet or change it. Or maybe you end up like many people do that I tell this to you, I’m like, just give it 30 days, go back to whatever you’re doing. Most people get to 30 days and they’re like, I’m gonna keep doing this. Or maybe mostly keep doing this, but add in some avocado or salad or things like that.
[45:16] DEB: Awesome. So you talk about cravings disappearing. What did that feel like for you from the very first day? Were you fighting those food cravings initially? What was that like for you?
[45:26] KERRY: I was absolutely fighting them initially. I believe it’s one of the hardest addictions to overcome. And part of it’s in our brain. I mean, part of it’s like you eat sugar or carbs. A lot of people don’t realize this. I didn’t either. I’m like, well, I’m not eating candy bars. What’s the big deal? But when I eat an apple or I eat a potato, those carbohydrates convert in my blood to glucose. And then a half an hour later, I’m hungry again. Those addiction pathways start lighting up again. And so I did have those addictions. Early on, it was hard to overcome those. For me, what helped was realizing that I maybe needed to eat more. I found that on days when I was doing carnivore early on, if I wasn’t getting enough fat or the fat to protein ratio, ’cause a lot of this is about fat. It’s not just protein. Like you could say, “I’m carnivore and eat chicken breast six times a day.” You’re not gonna do very well. It’s really more about the fat. And when I wasn’t getting enough fat, those cravings would be higher. The thing I’ll say that was so amazing, I’m so glad I went through it is when I was able to get over that hump of those cravings, they just went away forever. That food noise went away forever. Some people will say, “I’m gonna do this for 30 days,” but they’ll do it for a week. And then they’ll say, “I did good all week, kind of like counting calories. I did good. I deserve a cake or something. I’m gonna have some fruit now,” or something like that. And then those cravings come back like crazy. If you’re able to do this, my advice for people is do it strict and proper for 30 days. Do it till you heal yourself. And then think about adding some things back in, but the people that suffer the most with those cravings are the ones that keep a little, maybe they keep diet soda or artificial sweeteners in or some of those things. And that’s just gonna perpetuate those cravings. I always just use the analogy. It’s like if you, if I was a lifelong alcoholic and that ruined my whole family. And I was finally able to overcome that. I wouldn’t do that and then be like, well, I did good all week. It’s Saturday. I’m going to have a beer now. Like it would completely derail things. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s the same way. Unfortunately with food, it’s a lot harder because we have to eat and we’re exposed to so much of this. But when you get over those cravings, it’s, it’s the most amazing feeling. You can put a cupcake or anything. I was the biggest carb addict in the world. I have none of it anymore. It’s just, it’s completely gone. I get everything I need in the proper proportions. I’m full and I’m good.
[47:31] DEB: That’s awesome. So you own a movie theater. Tell us how you walk past the movie theater popcorn and not crave it.
[47:37] KERRY: Yes. It’s funny you mentioned popcorn. That was one of the hardest things for me to overcome because I make the popcorn at our theater and I would always test a handful of it partially because I’m addicted to popcorn and partially because I wanted to make sure the popcorn was good for people. So that was [hard]. I found myself in the first days of carnivore a couple times, like almost getting a little, my little cup of popcorn and doing it. But yeah, I was able to overcome that addiction and it’s a tricky thing at the movie theater. We actually offer several clean options. We’ve got like some grass fed, organic stuff, some beef sticks. We had cheese for a while and things like that. So if I ever get a craving, I’ll go to one of those, but for the most part, I really just don’t get cravings anymore. I usually eat twice a day and I’m pretty much good.
[48:21] DEB: That’s awesome. You know, if we paint a picture for people that are listening, if you think of your body kind of like a bathtub, right? Highly processed foods, sugary foods. It keeps that tap water running constantly. Your blood sugar spikes like you had talked. Then you crash. Then the hunger comes after that. And then when you turn off the tap water, whatever you replace it with, A lot of people will find the water level finally stabilizes and then that stops. So the hunger gets quieter, the energy evens out. And you know, it’s not a promise that if you do this, you’re going to feel this way or you’re going to eliminate those cravings, but everybody’s tub drains differently. And that’s why you have to test it. That’s why you have to start slow, go slow, see how you do, and then see if this is right for you or not. It’s so individualized for so many people, but I’ve seen so many people do carnivore and do extremely well. Chronic illness that we’ve been trying to treat for three, four, five years gets so much better once they change their diet, whether it’s keto or carnivore or a combination of the two. They do so much better.
[49:26] KERRY: Yeah, absolutely. That’s what I witnessed too. My wife and I have a YouTube channel for our homestead and we do homesteading videos, chickens and goats, but on day 30, I was feeling so good. I’m like, I’m going to do one video on this topic. Cause this is just crazy. The healing I’ve experienced in 30 days. And I did that video and it got like a million views, which was great. But it got thousands of comments from people that are like, “Kerry, I was hopelessly depressed like you, and I’ve been doing this carnivore for five years now. It’s completely gone. Like I’m healed.” The first person that gave me that comment was in their 80s, by the way, which just blew my mind that some of their 80s would change their diet and go to a carnivore diet. But they overcame like their lifelong battle with depression. I started getting so many more comments like that. And I’m like, how is this not front page news? People reversing type two diabetes that are mad about it. They’re like, I reversed my type two diabetes in a couple of weeks. Why was I on that medication for decades? I could have just changed my diet. Why didn’t I know this? So many health issues I started hearing about that I never would have imagined were related to food. And so yeah, I just kept doing more videos about it. My homesteading channel turned into a channel about healing through fixing your metabolic health. And then on day 67 of carnivore for myself, I’m like, we need to do a documentary about this. Like why isn’t this everyone? My thing was just how many other Kerrys are there hopelessly depressed in the world right now? That would give anything for this message. Like we got to get this word out far and wide and we’re just reaching a small number of people on YouTube. And so that was when we decided we should do a documentary on this. Like how hard could that possibly be?
[50:55] DEB: That’s awesome. Tell us a little bit about your documentary.
[50:58] KERRY: Been working on it. Well, we’re done with it now, but working on it for three and a half years. Hardest thing I ever had to do. The purpose of it was let’s just capture the truth, these real stories, people had multiple different health issues. They decided to do a strict carnivore diet as a way to heal from that. Maybe it’s just temporary, but they wanted to heal from that thing through the strict elimination diet, carnivore version. And let’s track several people over the course of a year and let’s cover as many health topics as we can as possible and just show what happens. And by the way, also have some doctors that are doing this as well. And so we ended up filming 60 interviews nine doctors and experts, including Dr. Ovadia, who I mentioned earlier. I was able to get him involved in this. A Harvard-trained psychiatrist who has treated thousands of patients, fixing their metabolic health, overcoming all sorts of horrible mental health issues. We’ve got a guy that’s done brain surgery, Dr. Anthony Chaffee, a neurosurgeon, in the film. All of the doctors, all nine of them, by the way, they all eat a carnivore diet, except one. Professor Thomas Seyfried, our cancer doctor, he tinkers, but he’s not quite carnivore. But yeah, and so many of the people, we followed one guy, Bill in Alaska. He was 700 pounds stuck in his house for four years. Horribly depressed, started carnivore. We filmed him on day one. We waited an entire year and then we went back to Alaska, filmed him on year one, to see his results and… We covered just so many stories of healing. And I guess the last thing I’ll say is our documentary is really different than a lot in that we’re really focused on the stories supported by the science. There’s a lot of documentaries out there, great ones on a ketogenic diet, but a lot of them are just science, science, science. The science is critical. It’s so important but I really believe the stories are what will inspire people to then research and look into science more. And so we focus on the individuals and the stories, making an emotional connection. Like I have type two diabetes, that person in the film Healing Humanity has type two diabetes. I can relate, I can resonate with them. So that was kind of the approach we took.
[52:54] DEB: That’s awesome. So where can people find your documentary?
[52:57] KERRY: Yeah, so you can watch two trailers at HealingHumanity.movie. And depending on when you watch this, you can pre-order the film. It’s $10 and it’s available for everyone to stream everywhere in the world on October 23rd. And we’re so excited. We just had this big meeting. We are, the whole goal with this film was I want to reach millions of people. None of this, we talked about incentives before. You don’t make money on documentaries. I’ve talked to several successful documentary filmmakers. They’re like, you’re lucky if you make gas money. This whole project is a passion project. Let’s just do it for the good of it. Let’s try to help as many people as we can. We want to reach millions of people with this, not just the subset on YouTube. In order to do that, we had to get on Netflix or a big distributor. The idea of getting on Netflix is kind of audacious. We’re actually really close to doing it. In order to get on Netflix, you have to show them that people are excited about your film. This whole thing, Dr. Deb, has turned into a movement. It is crazy. We screened the documentary in 17 cities all over the world. I was in the UK recently. I was in Canada. We sold out the majority of them. People are sick of being sick. We were in Dallas, Texas. On a Tuesday night, we had 235 people sold out the theater, a line of people down the sidewalk that wanted to come see the film. So I’m not saying this to brag, I’m just very excited with how this has turned into a movement, but that data from those screenings, and then every one of you that decides to pre-order this, all of that data is going to Netflix. We have a meeting, we’re gonna be meeting with them. They look at that data to, they don’t care about the miraculous healing at all, they just wanna know, can we fill seats? Are people excited? We’re on a trajectory to do that, so we’re so grateful for everyone that’s pre-ordering it because that’s going to put us over the edge to potentially get this in front of millions of people that need this message.
[54:42] DEB: That’s awesome. And I think you’re right. Like this is a movement. People are sick and tired of being sick and tired and they’re sick and tired of being seen but not heard by their healthcare practitioners, right? And this is awesome, I’m so excited for you guys. And I would tell all of our listeners, you know, please contribute to this project. We need to get this information out to the masses. If you even learn one or two things from this documentary, it will make it worth your while. And tell us, Kerry, too, what’s your YouTube channel? Where can people follow you on YouTube?
[55:14] KERRY: Yeah, absolutely. So my personal YouTube channel is Homestead How. I have some homesteading stuff on there, but it’s all basically I interview people similar to this and we talk about stories of healing and reversing every single health issue you could imagine. We talk about that on my YouTube channel. And then for the movie, Healing Humanity Movie is our YouTube channel for that where you can see some behind-the-scenes footage and some interviews with some of the doctors and things like that.
[55:41] DEB: That’s fantastic. So for any of you that are listening to us and you didn’t catch those because you’re driving or walking or working out, don’t worry about them. We’ll have them in the show notes below. Let’s support Kerry. Let’s get this movement going because healing and health and healing humanity and healing our children is so important. We deserve to have a healthy population in this country and we deserve to feel the best that we possibly can. Kerry, I always ask this last question of all of our guests. If there was one thing you could do to change healthcare as an industry, what would it be?
[56:14] KERRY: Educate the masses that all disease begins in the gut and food is the root cause of almost all these health issues we’re experiencing. Without a doubt, we need to look at our diet. We need to look at nutrition so much more closely.
[56:27] DEB: Thank you so much for being with me today.
[56:29] KERRY: Thank you for having me, Dr. Deb. I really appreciate it.
[56:32] DEB (Outro): Thank you for joining me today on Let’s Talk Wellness Now. If this episode has helped you, send it to one person who’s still looking for answers about weight, pain, gut issues that won’t quit and leave a rating so that the next person who’s been dismissed can find us. Please help Kerry Mann join this movement so that we can heal humanity. If you’re in Wisconsin and this sounds like you, you can text us at 262-522-8640. Book an appointment with my team at Serenity Health Care Center. If you’re out of state, visit us at EllieMD.com/drdebmuth. And next week, we have got a great episode coming for you. And if you’ve missed any, go back and listen to our previous episodes. Until next time, I’m Dr. Deb. Take care of your body, mind, and spirit, and be well.