Episode 124: Understanding How Nutrients Can Change Your Diagnosis with Dr. John Poothullil

Dr. John shares his passion for nutrition and how we can use nutrition to help us with diabetes, metabolic changes, and even cancer. He shares tips on how to eat to change the outcome of these health conditions. Join us to learn how you can increase your metabolism and affect your blood sugar levels. 

Do not miss these highlights:

[09:50] The role of insulin in our health

[13:10] Elevation of blood glucose is similar to elevation of cholesterol

[13:51] Why the incidence of type two diabetes is increasing all around the world

[17:48] How and why the less you chew leads to more eating

[20:55] Sensation of satisfaction versus fullness

[24:13] We are setting a new diagnosis coming out Obesity with Malnutrition

[26:17] Importance of teaching children the basic physiology of hunger and satiation

[28:57] 3 things we can learn from toddlers

[31:29] What is Cancer

[36:22] The cell dividing is based on internal signal

[43:35] Difference between blood sugar and sugar

[46:22] If we can slow down the cancer cell multiplication, our immune system can keep us very healthy

Resources Mentioned

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About our Guest:

John Poothullill, MD, FRCP practiced medicine as a pediatrician and allergist for more than 30 years, with 27 of those years in the state of Texas.  He received his medical degree in India in 1968, after which he did two years of medical residency in Washington, DC and Phoenix, AZ, and two years of fellowship in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Ontario, Canada.  He began his practice in 1974 and retired in 2008. He holds certifications from the American Board of Pediatrics, The American Board of Allergy & Immunology, and the Canadian Board of Pediatrics.

During his medical practice, Dr. John became interested in understanding the cause of obesity and Type 2 diabetes. His interest turned into a passion and a multi-decade personal research project that led him to read many medical journal articles, medical textbooks, and other scholarly works. His own diagnosis of cancer also guided Dr. John to study the causes of cancer. He has subsequently published four books.

In Eat Chew Live, he explains how the body tries to regulate our nutrient intake and ways that we can prevent obesity and type 2 diabetes.

In Diabetes: The Real Cause & The Right Cure, he explains 8 easy steps to reverse type 2 diabetes.

In Surviving Cancer, he explains a new perspective on why cancer happens in adults and strategies for a healthy life.

In his newest book, When Your Child Has Cancer, he provides information on why children develop cancer and what parents can do to help reduce treatment doses and potentially minimize the late effects of cancer treatments.

All his books are available on Amazon or you can get more information on them at his website DRjohnonhealth.com

He is also a weekly Tuesday guest medical expert on the popular talk radio show “America’s First News” hosted by Matt Ray.  To hear Dr. John, just do a Google search on America’s First News with Matt Ray to find a local station near you. 

Connect with Dr. John: 

Twitter: @DrJohnOnHealth 

Instagram: drjohnonhealth

Facebook: DrJohnOnHealth 


Transcription of Episode #124:

Debra Muth 0:02
Welcome to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I’m your host, Dr. Deb. This is where we talk about everything wellness, and learn to defy aging, and live our lives on our own terms.

Debra Muth 0:16
Welcome back. I am your host, Dr. Deb at let’s talk wellness now and I love to bring you amazing guests that can help you heal your body faster. And in a better way. You know, we’re always looking for ways to activate our bodies, advance healing make things quicker and easier for us to do. And Today my guest, Dr. John is going to be with us He is a medical doctor. He has practiced medicine as a pediatrician and allergist for more than 30 years with 27 of those years in the state of Texas. He has received his medical degree in India in 1968, after which he did two years of medical residency in Washington DC, and Phoenix, Arizona, and two years of a fellowship in my hometown, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Ontario, Canada. He began his practice in 1974 and retired in 2008. He holds certifications from the American Board of Pediatrics, the American Board of allergy and immunology, and the Canadian Board of Pediatrics. During his medical practice, dr. john became interested in understanding the cause of obesity and type two diabetes. His interest turned into a passion and a multi decade personal research project that led him to read many medical journals, journals, medical textbooks, and scholarly works. His own diagnosis of cancer also guided dr. john to study the causes of cancer. He has subsequently published four books, this is going to be an exciting conversation. You guys, I can’t wait to have this conversation with dr. john. So he has a book called Eat to Live where he explains how the body tries to regulate our nutrient intake in ways that you can prevent obesity and type two diabetes. He also has a book called in diabetes, the real cause and the right cure, where he explains eight steps to reversing type two diabetes. He has a book called in surviving cancer. He explains a new prescriptive and why cancer happens in adults and gives us give strategies for healthy life. And in his newest book, when your child has cancer, he provides information on why children develop cancer and what parents can do to help reduce treatment doses and potentially minimize the late effects of cancer treatment. This guy comes with a wealth of knowledge you guys you do not want to miss this interview that we’re having with Dr. John. We are going to talk all about nutrients lifestyle diet, how we can reverse type two diabetes, and yes, how you can help beat cancer and change your perspective on cancer. This is going to be a deep conversation. Don’t go anywhere. Let me introduce for you, Dr. John.

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Debra Muth 4:44
So this is Dr. Deb I’m here with you today bringing you Dr. John who is a wealth of information and he is going to talk to us about how we can control our lifestyle our bodies what we put in our mouths and how that prevents us from getting a related illnesses or type two diabetes and even yes, sometimes cancer. So Dr. John, welcome to the show.

Dr. John Poothullil 5:06
No good to have I thank you for having me. And I thank our listeners and audience.

Debra Muth 5:13
So dr. john, tell us a little bit about yourself how you got started and what got you interested in studying type two diabetes.

Dr. John Poothullil 5:21
I was born in India, I did my medical schools in the state of Kerala. Then after graduation, I went to Scotland for a to do a year of internship. I came to the United States in the year 1970. I did two years of residency, two years of fellowship, I practiced in Wisconsin in the Asian and Oconomowoc for a year and a half. I did move to Texas. After that I practiced for about 30 plus years in Texas, when our son announced that we were going to be grandparents, he was in Portland, Oregon, my wife said, Al, she is going so. So I closed my practice. And but that gave me time to develop my ideas about obesity, or weight gain, type two diabetes, and later, I was diagnosed with cancer. That is when I started my research into cancer, because I found in cancer. And the word cancer evokes fear. We are afraid because we think we are going to die. I was a medical doctor. And I had exactly the same fear when I was told I have cancer. So I sat and thought about it. I said, Well, I can be afraid and be at the mercy of my oncologist for the rest of my life, how wrong it may be. Or I can understand what is the reason for this fear. And what I found was half the fear is based on the unknown. We don’t know what cancer is, why did it happen? How can I slow it down? How can I help my doctor reduce or use less medication? This is what started me on my journey to understand cancer. And that took away half my fear. Because now I have something I can do to contribute to for my own well being. So anyway, it after retirement, I started thinking just as they give me an example. Say we all eat, but can we predetermine when we are going to be hungry? No. So what is the signal? Or what is it that the brain gets to create? That prompts the brain to create the sensation of hunger. And it is unpredictable when you are going to be hungry next time. So what is the nature of the signals at that time? Secondly, when you eat, you don’t always eat the same volume of food? Well, the fullness of the stomach is a criteria or is a signal to stop? Shouldn’t we eat the same volume before you feel satisfied?

Debra Muth 8:25
You would think you should right? But we don’t always.

Dr. John Poothullil 8:28
And the same with thirst. When you’re thirsty, can you predetermine How much will it take to quench your thirst? No now, so what are the basic physiological signals? So that was question number one. Question number two was what is the volume that or what is the basis of satiation the third question was, what happens the nutrients for example, may I ask you what you ate for supper last night?

Debra Muth 9:01
I had chicken and tortilla.

Dr. John Poothullil 9:03
Okay, what time did you eat?

Debra Muth 9:07

Dr. John Poothullil 9:10
In four hours. So by 1030, the chicken has been digested into amino acids, fatty acids and cholesterol. The tortilla has been digested into glucose primarily. Also by 435 or 1030 If you take your blood, you will see high levels of glucose, amino acid fatty acid and cholesterol. The elevation of glucose will stimulate your pancreas to release insulin. So the five things are now traveling in your bloodstream. Insulin is knocking the door of each and every cell to let the cell know the answer outside they can pick what they need. Insulin never gets into the cell. All it is is a messenger. It gives the message because without Insulin, if glucose is outside the cell does not know. And that is what happens in type one diabetics who don’t produce insulin, glucose is outside in plenty, but the cell does not know that. Because there’s nobody’s ringing the doorbell to let the cell know glucose is outside. That is the job of insulin. Now, the cells pick up what they need. By next morning, your blood glucose level is low. So what happened? Every cell picked up what is left over come to the liver. And insulin tells the liver, everybody’s happy, this is excess. So the liver has to process the excess. For cholesterol, there is no storage area. So the cholesterol is packaged either as HDL or LDL, we can talk about that later the difference and put it back into the blood. Everything else will be processed for long term storage and our long term storage is fat or triglyceride. So the Fatty Fatty acids, the amino acids will be converted to glucose excess glucose will be converted to fatty acid free fatty acids, molecules will be converted, tied up with the glycerol, and you’re gonna try glyceride which is the fat that will only be sent to the fat cell for storage. Now, the triglyceride is too large a molecule to enter the FAFSA. So outside the fat cell, there is an enzyme lipase that chops that fatty triglyceride into fatty acid and glycerol, the fatty acids can now enter the fat cell, inside the fat cell, if there is room, the fat cell would have already gotten one molecule of glucose from which it can produce a new glycerol. Now the triglyceride is three format format. And it is stored in the fat cell. The Imagine if you will, the fat cell is completely full. What will happen to the fatty acid that was released outside the fat cell to stay in the blood. And when fatty acids are high in the blood, our muscles are like a hybrid engine, it can use either glucose or fatty acid to produce energy. The muscles switch to fatty acid, then the muscles don’t need glucose. So glucose accumulates in the blood. Blood sugar goes up what do you call that person?

Debra Muth 12:41
You call them a diabetic? Exactly. Yeah.

Dr. John Poothullil 12:46
Who does nothing? In my opinion, it has nothing to do with insulin. Gotcha.

Debra Muth 12:51
Wow, that that is a profound concept. Because if all we’re measuring is glucose, and we’re not taking anything else into account, which we never do, we always just looking at one piece of it. Somebody could be labeled as diabetic, but really not be diabetic because it’s just a matter of changing their diet.

Dr. John Poothullil 13:10
All type two diabetics belong to this class, all of them. In addition, what I’m saying is, elevation of blood glucose is similar to elevation of cholesterol. We don’t call a separate illness based on high cholesterol do we write we don’t need to say lifestyle condition. High blood glucose should be treated exactly the same way. There’s no difference.

Debra Muth 13:40
Dr. john, how do you feel about people restricting carbohydrates severely, like in a keto diet? How does that work with somebody who’s diabetic?

Dr. John Poothullil 13:51
Okay, now, let’s go back say 100 years ago, if you look at the percentage of daily food energy, carbohydrates, complex carbohydrates contributed to 35% or less. Now, in developed countries, it is 30% of the population in the poor areas are poor, those who are economically less affluent. It is 70% the same as in developing countries. Why? Because 60 years ago, we had the agricultural revolution. Every government in the world is subsidizing grain farming, either a direct subsidy to the farmer, fertilizer subsidy, food programs, ration cards, community feeding, everything is based on Well, let me ask you this question. When is the last time you had a snack or a meal without a grain or grain flour product?

Debra Muth 15:00
Hmm, it’s very hard to find a snack like that unless you’re doing something like a nut or a cheese or something like that. But it’s hard even to find those kinds of things, you always find them with some kind of grain or some kind of fruit or granola or something.

Dr. John Poothullil 15:16
Now you can imagine or understand why the incidence of type two diabetes is increasing all around the world. Because the person that have energy we consume from grain based foods have gone up almost double. So if you reverse that, from tomorrow, if you try to cut down your energy from complex carbohydrates, grains and grain based grain flour based push to one half of what you’re eating right now, how can your blood sugar go up?

Debra Muth 15:49
Yeah, it can’t. It’ll stay more stable. Yeah, for sure.

Dr. John Poothullil 15:54
On the other hand, let’s say you inject yourself with insulin, your blood sugar goes down. Where does it go?

Debra Muth 16:04
It’s a great question.

Dr. John Poothullil 16:06
You’re just not going out of your body? Yeah. This is why even if you keep your agency below seven with medications, like such and such as insulin, there is no guarantee you can escape the complications of type two diabetes is there. Now there isn’t, you know what the explanation is? That it is a progressive disease. So they can get away with it. Yeah. Did you say probably save disease? In my opinion, because the treatment is not right. Yeah.

Debra Muth 16:39
Well, and it’s so sad because when you have someone diagnosed with diabetes, either type one or type two, they give you the American diet within which includes all your white things, white flour, white grains, white potatoes, everything, there’s never a healthy food on that diet list. It’s all fat free sugar free artificial this artificial that it’s not a healthy diet, it just keeps them sicker longer.

Dr. John Poothullil 17:06
But they they will explain it that Oh, if you add brown rice or whole grain that takes care of everything. So it is sad. This is why again, I appreciate what you are trying to do go back to nature. What if it alone along those lines? Let me ask the audience something to think about in nature. Is there any food or any product that nature has that adult human beings can get nutrients from without chewing?

Debra Muth 17:46
Not really.

Dr. John Poothullil 17:48
That is why I put the middle letter of my book “Eat Chew Live.” Now, think about this. How much can you chew rice? How much can you chew bread? How much can you noodle? pasta? The moment you stop chewing you swallow So the less chewing leads to more eating. Now, think think about this, why did nature package everything in a form that requires chewing to release the nutrients? Why?

Debra Muth 18:29
So you wouldn’t eat as much and you’d be full faster, you’d be satisfied more

Dr. John Poothullil 18:35
What is the mechanism?

Debra Muth 18:37
We have to break down all those nutrients

Dr. John Poothullil 18:40

Debra Muth 18:41
So they absorb slowly. So you can surviveB

Dr. John Poothullil 18:45
Absorption happened to only happens in the intestine.

Debra Muth 18:48

Dr. John Poothullil 18:48
Why are you chewing them in the mouth at the point of entry? Let me let me give you an example. Okay, are thirsty right now? I bring you a 12 ounce of water. Can you I just saw you send me a sip. Can you predetermine How much will it take to quench your thirst?

Debra Muth 19:11

Dr. John Poothullil 19:11
know how long will it take to drink it you just drank with less than a few seconds and your thirst was quenched. Right right when your thirst was quenched. worries that water work that you just rang it is still in your stomach. It has not been absorbed into your body yet. How did your brain know you had enough for this instance? Next time you may need more how need them?

Debra Muth 19:43
By signaling it’s signaling our nutrients are so signaling ourselves.

Dr. John Poothullil 19:49
Well, he said signal starting from who is the receptor who send that signal?

Debra Muth 19:56
Good question.

Dr. John Poothullil 19:58
It has to be in the mouth. Right, yeah. If I blindfold you and ask you to drink something, how do you know whether it is wine or water or coffee or tea or milk? How do you know that?

Debra Muth 20:11
You only know by taste if you’ve had it before,

Dr. John Poothullil 20:14
That’s what I’m suggesting is those days birds are not only detecting what you are drinking, but also metering, how much is going down. Your brain already knows your water deficit. When the metering records the same amount, the brain says okay, for now, you had enough. Now, there is a similar mechanism for nutrients as well. So the rate of chewing releases the nutrients at a rate where the receptors, tastebuds and smell, receptors can record and send the message to the brain. And when the brain map balances, your need your intake, it creates the sensation of satisfaction, not fullness, that’s different. All of us is based on volume. satisfaction is based on the amount of nutrients needed at that time. So your brain has to pay attention to the signals coming from the mouth, taste and smell receptors. Now, can I illustrate this further? A little bit more?

Debra Muth 21:31
Please! Yes.

Dr. John Poothullil 21:32
Suppose you and I go for lunch? There are 100 items. Okay. How many will you choose?

Debra Muth 21:43
One or two? Well, maybe three, maybe my maximum, you say maximum? How many? How many? Maximum five? By based on what? Based on what I know of them? Have I had them before, based on what they look like if I can’t see them.

Dr. John Poothullil 22:03
And you have enjoyed them before you will take the five, we will sit down and we enjoy right. Suppose we go back to the same buffet for evening for supper? We’ll take exactly the same fire you enjoyed so much for lunch?

Debra Muth 22:23
I might depends on if there’s anything new there that I see that I like that I’ve had before.

Dr. John Poothullil 22:29
What what will be the chances that you take exactly the same file? Or is it more chance that you will take something different than me

Debra Muth 22:37
the 80% chance I’m going to take the same foods I had before.

Dr. John Poothullil 22:41
But that is a good possibility. Most people will take one or two, because he just enjoyed it, you need something more different. You have seen other thing items. Now, why don’t we take exactly the same because he enjoyed them so much for lunch. But we most often we there the argument is, oh, I want something different. I enjoy something live, you know this I already enjoy. What I’m suggesting is there is a physiological reason. The reason being the nutrients absorbed from lunch, they are still in your body, the body has not used them. other nutrients have been used up and they from your previous experience, your subconscious mind knows which other food contains the needed nutrients. The subconscious mind will send a message or the other one looks more appealing. This one looks more interesting. This one you have enjoyed in the past, and you’d like something new. So there is a physiological basis for it. If only you pay attention.

Debra Muth 23:54
Yeah, it’s so true. I think so many of us don’t pay attention to our bodies, we’re not connected, to listen to those signals of what we need, we ignore it. And we just do what we think our body wants, but it’s really not what our body’s signaling us we ignore so many of our body’s signals.

Dr. John Poothullil 24:13
Well, on the other hand, you also have to give a look at the reasons for example, in order to get all the nutrients you need. You need to have the right food available. accessible, affordable. And many people cannot do that. Yeah. Gosh we’ve mentioned before the grain based foods are the cheapest foods or the most convenient foods available are the most pre packaged foods available. When you are in a hurry. It is easy to pick up something and if it is grain based that is what you are going to eat. And if you cannot afford the nuts and all the variety of fruits and vegetables, the cheapest you have to feed your family Then there is a new diagnosis called obesity with malnutrition. Yeah. Just diagnosed in Brazil. First of all big Why? Because the multinational companies produced food prepackaged food grain based foods that mothers can sell from door to door. And that was the cheapest food available. And they said that whatever is left out to their own kids, and the kids got fat, but they did not get all the nutrients. So this is what the whole world is coming down to or approaching, we are having an obesity epidemic. At the same time we are having a malnutrition epidemic.

Debra Muth 25:45
Yeah. This is so true. We see it so often. And our younger children or younger people, we’re seeing it more and more. I know, when I grew up, there wasn’t a lot of heavyset fat kids. But now it’s it’s very common, you’ll see one or two thin people to one or two heavier people as children. It’s really sad. And we’re blaming the kids for being inactive. But we’re not putting the responsibility on what it really is. And that’s what they’re eating.

Dr. John Poothullil 26:17
Exactly. Yeah, I totally agree with you. So how do we change we have to take one parent at a time one child at a time, and teach them the basic physiology of hunger and satiation.

Debra Muth 26:33
Yeah, we’ve done such a disservice to educating our young people about food. So many of our young people don’t know where foods come from. They don’t know what food is. I’ve talked to nurses that don’t understand that beef isn’t dairy. Because dairy comes from cows. So why wouldn’t be considered dairy I mean, we have a very large curve of ignorance when it comes to our foods where they come from, what they do, what they are, what families they belong to. We’re not teaching this the way we used to teach this years ago and it’s doing a solid disservice.

Dr. John Poothullil 27:09
Yes, guy totally agree with you. That we need rethinking our own capability of choosing how do we choose the nutrients we need? How can I know what your body needs at this time? Only your brain knows the same with me, you cannot tell me exactly what nutrients are missing when I sit down to eat what amino acids one fight right fatty acid, one word vitamins, what minerals, but my brain knows. So if I can get in tune with my own needs physiological needs, and how to get the food and how to slow energy will slowly eat and enjoy. Because in the top of my book, I say how you eat matters more than what you eat. Even though one could say it is equally important, because your brain needs to know to understand and create the sensation of satisfaction. For that you need to help the bread the signaling the receptors do it lazy, enjoyed. Yes, we all want to enjoy eating. But do we really enjoy what we eat?

Debra Muth 28:38
A lot of times we don’t. We’re just shoveling it in to hurry up and feed our body to go do the next thing. Because it’s an inconvenience. Yeah. Yeah. So Dr. John, how do we start eating to make sure our body’s getting all those nutrients that we need?

Dr. John Poothullil 28:57
That are teachers, you know, those teachers are called toddlers. Children two to six years of age, you will observe three things. One, they will not eat unless they are hungry. Two if you give them 10 items, they will pick and choose what they like at that time. No grandpa grandmas are very happy to feed their grandkids. And the one day the grandkids will say oh I enjoy this grandma. Next time Grandma will make it and the child may not even touch it.

Debra Muth 29:39
Yes, then there I’ve done that with my little ones.

Dr. John Poothullil 29:43
The third thing is so you don’t even you’re hungry. Select what you like. Third thing is when they are done. They could care less what’s left in the play on the plate. They would rather go out and play they won’t open the mouth even if there is something left

Dr. John Poothullil 30:00
It’s very true. They don’t do that no matter how hard you push, you’re not going to get them to do that. Right? So they know when to eat, what to eat, how much to eat. They grow up on their own. If they can do that, why can’t we?

Debra Muth 30:20
Very true. We have to listen to our bodies, though. And that means we have to be in tuned with them a little bit more.

Dr. John Poothullil 30:27
Do you know when it changes?

Debra Muth 30:30
puberty? No.

Dr. John Poothullil 30:32
No, I did at age six.

Debra Muth 30:34
Really? Yeah. You know why? No, I don’t know why.

Dr. John Poothullil 30:39
At that time, they start listening to their parents.

Debra Muth 30:43
They’re not defiant anymore.

Dr. John Poothullil 30:45
No, they, the parents say you but read because we have got a long way to go. Oh, y’all got schoolwork, you don’t have time to eat. at that. You eat you eat now, whether you’re hungry or not doesn’t matter. And you gradually disconnect the physiological signal and response mechanism.

Debra Muth 31:06
That makes so much sense. That’s perfect sense. Oh, my gosh, this is such wonderful information. Dr. John, you’re just a wealth of knowledge. I love this. I’m curious for you to share a little bit of your cancer journey and give us a perspective of what happened that changed your concept about cancer?

Dr. John Poothullil 31:29
Well, let’s start with what is cancer? Well, let me back up a little bit. The word cancer evokes fear. Because we can die from right now think about this. Cancer does not release toxins. Cancer does not invade and destroy neighboring cells. So how does cancer cause death? Okay, so that is the first thing I wanted to find out, I’m afraid for me for my family, what will they do? What will happen to them? How long will I leave all this thought thought process went through my mind. So I needed to find out answers. I want to start from the beginning what is cancer? Cancer is nothing but uncontrolled multiplication of cell. So what does that mean? That let’s go back to cut in order to understand uncontrolled multiplication, you need to start with controlled multiplication. If you get a cut in your skin, a wound opened up and new cells are forming. How does that happen? in every cell, every function in the cell is controlled by a gene. And for every function, we have two copies of the same gene one from the Father one from the mother. When the cell that is suddenly exposed with missing the neighbor, because cells are opened up that send cell will send a signal to the nucleus say my neighbor is missing. So there is that signal is received by a gene in charge of new cell formation. So that gene will issue a work order, okay, to the stem cell because I know the need the skin, we have a basement layer with the stem cell stem cell is the mother cell that produces baby cells or the stem cell get a message from the gene, okay, new cells are needed somebody is missing. So the new sensor start coming from one side and from the other side, when they meet in the middle, they cell will send a signal to the G the nucleus say okay, our neighbors are back we don’t need any more. And there is a different gene in charge of ordering stop work stop multiplication order. So that one day in in charge of activating the duplication, another gene in charge of stopping the duplication and the wound is healed. That’s fine. Now, the critical point here is the signal to the message that we need new cells came from outside the cell and the out the gene got a signal from outside that we are in need of new cells and the cell and the gene issued the work order and another gene when the god the message from the outside Okay, everything is healed. You should So there’s a growth activating gene and a growth inhibiting gene simplified. Now, cancer keeps does not start because of an outside signal. It is, the signal starts inside the cancer cell. Your daughter cells follow the same signaling response and response signal and response and it divides and divides, because they are not bound by or they’re not responding to an outside signal and therefore, not bound by an outside signal. The neighbors are clamoring stop dividing, you are encroaching into my territory, whatever the organ is, but the cancer cell is not a cube to respond to that signal. Now, we come to a critical part, the internal signal and multiplication based on internal signal, how did the cancer cell learn about it? How did the cancer cell know this is a signal to divide? How did it learn who taught the cancer cell? Now you know why it is happening every day? The cell dividing based on internal signal, do you know the prime prime example of that?

Debra Muth 36:32
I don’t, I would say toxins and decreased immunity but that’s probably not what you’re thinking.

Dr. John Poothullil 36:39
No, you and I are the examples of starting life from internal signaling will be explained that may I Yes, please. We are all products of one single cell. We started our life as a single cell after the fertilization of an ovum is the single cell is called zygote. Right every human being every animal starts with one single cell calls I got the you know where the fertilization takes place, not in the womb, within the fallopian tube. And after the fertilization, it is a six days journey before the embryo is implanted in the womb. So it started as a single cell. By the time it is implanted. Do you know how many cells are there?

Debra Muth 37:42
There’s millions already there

Dr. John Poothullil 37:44
No, 200 cells at the time of implantation, the millions come later on up to 32 trillion cells in the human baby 30. But by the time this cell is moving through the fallopian tube, the no not connected to the mother in any way, but it is dividing How did the world is a signal that signal has to be internal in the zygote right? Right. And the cells that produce two cells become four for 800 due to internal signaling and response. In other words, that internal signaling and response mechanism is the ancestral inheritance from the very first cell that came to being on the earth. That process is still being re enacted in every womb, every time a mother conceives a child. So, that is how a cancer cell is doing nothing but going back to the inherited. So the method of multiplication using the same signalling and response mechanism. So it is not anything new. But what happens is the control mechanisms, the inhibitory genes, they are destroyed by the environment and either toxins or radiation or infection, things like that. That messes up the control part as well allowing the potential the original potential to come through. That is what cancer is all about.

Debra Muth 39:40
So knowing that process, what do we do to try to interrupt it so that the cancer cells can’t continue to divide?

Dr. John Poothullil 39:48
What an excellent question that’s exactly the question I asked what can I do? Because this one is beyond my control. But then in order for a cell to duplicate Well, let’s back up a little bit. If you want to manufacture something, you need parts, right? You need energy, you need workers. And sometimes you need some promotion to keep them active or how fast you want it, you have to give them some incentive. constructing a new cell is no different parts, it’s in energy, it needs an environment to work and also a promoter to keep the workers going. Now, a cancer cell needs energy and materials. If you go back to the original cell, that divided those cells used primarily glucose. Now, the cancer cell is considered inefficient. In extracting energy from glucose, the cancer cells use only 10% of the glucose molecule and extract energy from 90% a muscle cell can use 100% energy, but cancer cell you will use only 10%. So it is called inefficient, but there is a reason for that inefficiency, because that 90% of the molecule is used to fabricate the materials needed for cell wall and other structural things. So, the cancer cells, the cancer cell is not bound by any rules to do produce to do a function does not function as the organ does whatever part of the organ, the cancer cell leaves, all it is trained to do or what it wants to do is to multiply. So, the energy that could have been used for function is now diverted into just the division of cell and fabrication of material needed for construction. So suppose, and now there is a promoter, the promoter is called insulin. Insulin promotes all biological activities. Insulin does not make a value judgment incident will stimulate the workers called enzymes. It wakes them up and say go to work. This is a good day to work. And this is why people who have type 2 diabetes have 50% higher incidence of colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, liver cancer, endometrial cancer, why because insulin is stimulating that it doesn’t matter whether the insulin is injected or released in the body. So same action. So suppose p provide less raw material and energy for the cancer cell? What can they do? They can they have no doubt the multiplication? No, the oncologist does not have to use as much medication.

Debra Muth 43:15
Yeah, so if they don’t eat a lot of grains, and they don’t put a lot of sugar in their diet, and their body’s not constantly producing insulin, that will help them

Dr. John Poothullil 43:24
Now, I just want to make a clarification on the word sugar you used. There is a big misunderstanding, when you say blood sugar and sugar. The blood sugar refers to glucose, whereas the word sugar refers to sucrose, which is only half glucose and half fructose. The moment somebody is diagnosed type two diabetes, for example, they stop consuming natural sugar. Does that make any difference to their diabetes?

Debra Muth 43:58
Doesn’t really.

Dr. John Poothullil 43:59
No, but there are companies who will promote that impression and keep selling non nutritive sweeteners which have been found not to help anybody with diabetes, or anything else or weight. But yet if that’s a different discussion altogether, so know what we need to do is to cut down the source of glucose. And in the present day diet, as we discussed earlier, 50 to 70% of that comes from grains and grain based foods. So if you are diagnosed with cancer, you cut down the grain based or complex carbohydrate intake to less than 30% 25 to 20% if you do that, and that is where you originally asked the question keto genic diet. It doesn’t matter what label you give, as long as you cut down the grain based For calorie or energy intake, you will your body will still produce cancer cells, but your immune system can keep it in check. Yeah, you know, when you have the maximum number of precancerous cells in your body.

Debra Muth 45:18
No, I don’t know that.

Dr. John Poothullil 45:20
When you are in your mother’s womb,

Debra Muth 45:22

Dr. John Poothullil 45:24
because, think about it, all the enzymes, all the workers that produce news are all novices. They make mistakes. There are 1000s and 1000s of cancer cells formed, but the immune system is after the challenge destroys 99% of the precancerous cells before the baby is born. So interesting, how they if that if we have that kind of capability, how can anybody have cancer? Why answer is this, the suppose the immune system can kill 1000 cancer cells an hour, but the production rate is 1100 an hour. The nervous the cancer, cell multiplication is outpacing the capability of the immune. If we can slow down the cancer cell multiplication, our immune system can keep us very healthy. Regardless of what type of cancer It doesn’t matter. To me a year and a half ago, I was certified as a cancer survivor, because I have five year pass my treatment. And besides the lations, that Thank you, that’s what I this is what I have done. Yeah. And I feel comfortable that I can keep my immune system going. Yes, you do need over 100 different nutrients to keep your body healthy. And he cannot get that from one meal or one food group. You need a variety. Yeah. And that is what people like you can tell what does nature provide you what is a natural way of doing it? That’s why I applaud your effort.

Debra Muth 47:16
Thank you. Thank you, Dr. John, how can people get a hold of your books, you’ve got such a wealth of information. And I’m sure people are going to want to read more and learn more from you. How do they find out about where your books are?

Dr. John Poothullil 47:29
Well, I have a website, dr. johnonhealth.com. When you’re following my books are available on Amazon. E-books and print books, whatever. But the main thing we need from our everybody who is a diabetic, for example, is to start asking the question, we need to ask our doctors. What happens to my glucose when I take a dose of insulin? Where did it go? Now everybody has learned the term insulin resistance as a cause of type two diabetes. I’m not talking about type one type one people do need insulin. In type two, is there any study that shows that if you keep your A1C below seven, that he can escape diabetic complications?

Debra Muth 48:26
There’s nothing I’ve seen.

Dr. John Poothullil 48:28
Exactly. So why are Why are we giving people insulin? Why are people taking just to get a number? So that number is called control if the number is below seven, what does that mean? Are you controlling a symptom? Or are you controlling the illness? Because we are equating glucose control to diabetic control, they are totally different. Yes. So how do we get that message? unless the person asked the doctor if somebody is giving you a Metformin or a tablet, say okay, my blood glucose level will go down where does that glucose go. If it does not go out on the body, if you’re hiding it helped me.

Debra Muth 49:25
Yeah, and if we have a lot of body fat, we’re storing a lot of things in there. Yep. Mm hmm. Wow. This has been such a great conversation because you’ve really made people I think, think differently about what we’ve been told what we’ve been taught what we’ve believed, and I’m so grateful that you came and joined us today and shared this because it’s a nice introduction to understanding and asking those important questions so that you know exactly what’s happening with your body.

Dr. John Poothullil 49:57
I agree with you totally.

Debra Muth 50:00
Thank you so much for joining us. Is there any last bit of advice you want to leave with our listeners?

Dr. John Poothullil 50:05
They, just like I said, eat what you enjoy, but more importantly, enjoy what you eat. Don’t be distracted by TV or a car even a conversation or other thoughts. concentrate on what is in your mouth.

Debra Muth 50:23
So true.

Dr. John Poothullil 50:25
To everything they get done, because there is no other activity that he can enjoy multiple times a day and still get the full enjoyment other than eating.

Debra Muth 50:39
That is so true, isn’t it? Oh my gosh, I love that piece of advice. That’s wonderful.

Dr. John Poothullil 50:44
Thank you. And thank you for having me.

Debra Muth 50:48
Thank you for being here. This has been amazing conversation.

Dr. John Poothullil 50:52
Thank you, Dr. Deb.

Debra Muth 50:55
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